All of those actors were also pulled down by the Kazon, IMHO. They just ruined it for everyone.
Actually though, Neelix got better once he got a little more depressed and serious. Tom Paris wasn’t bad when he wasn’t acting like a child. Chakotay was fine when he wasn’t babbling on about pseudo-native indian culture that usually ended up being borderline racist. (While I am not Native Indian, it seems like it would be insulting to have some cultural aspects twisted in the way Voyager did sometimes.)
I still try to watch the first few seasons of Voyager, but always end up jumping past anything Kazon. Voyager gets much better when that story arc is out of the picture.
Side note, Voyager is probably my favorite series and my criticism is just overly sharp. I really do enjoy it, but those first season are a bit rocky.
Her character development, and dynamic with doc were quite enjoyable.
Can’t complain about the outfit either…okay maybe a little from an in universe POV, who the fuck gave her that dress? And why did no one make her change?
Yes, exactly the same for me.
Just too much stereotypical stuff going on there. Of the guys Doc & Tuvok are the least annoying & feel like ‘planned’ characters. And the latter one caused Tuvix, which was just a walking intergalactic crime on abominations, so that leaves me with the glitchy software.
(But actually all characters at some point lean way too much into a single one of their stereotypes, like in a tabletop rpg.)
(And yes, I also like Voyager very much :))
I fucking hate Neelix. and Tom Paris. Chakotay also annoys me.
All of those actors were also pulled down by the Kazon, IMHO. They just ruined it for everyone.
Actually though, Neelix got better once he got a little more depressed and serious. Tom Paris wasn’t bad when he wasn’t acting like a child. Chakotay was fine when he wasn’t babbling on about pseudo-native indian culture that usually ended up being borderline racist. (While I am not Native Indian, it seems like it would be insulting to have some cultural aspects twisted in the way Voyager did sometimes.)
I still try to watch the first few seasons of Voyager, but always end up jumping past anything Kazon. Voyager gets much better when that story arc is out of the picture.
Side note, Voyager is probably my favorite series and my criticism is just overly sharp. I really do enjoy it, but those first season are a bit rocky.
This may be old news to you, but you’re spot on about the pseudo-racist approach to Native American culture.
I wouldn’t blame VOY for it though. I mean, they actually got a consultant to get the stuff right, he just happened to be a hardcore fraud.
Voyager gets better when 7 shows up.
I think her story grounds the show a bit better.
Her character development, and dynamic with doc were quite enjoyable.
Can’t complain about the outfit either…okay maybe a little from an in universe POV, who the fuck gave her that dress? And why did no one make her change?
Paris was poorly developed, but…fine.
I don’t get the Neelix hate at all though. But that’s cool.
this is my first star trek series. it’s not bad at all. some of the characters grate though.
Yes, exactly the same for me.
Just too much stereotypical stuff going on there. Of the guys Doc & Tuvok are the least annoying & feel like ‘planned’ characters. And the latter one caused Tuvix, which was just a walking intergalactic crime on abominations, so that leaves me with the glitchy software.
(But actually all characters at some point lean way too much into a single one of their stereotypes, like in a tabletop rpg.)
(And yes, I also like Voyager very much :))
Janeaway is great. Tuvok is alright. the Doc is interesting. Seven of Nine is a bit over powered.
I like them.
Neelix?
The three characters mentioned.
even Neelix?
Apparently it can’t be believed :)
neelix?
:)
while I disagree I will fight to the death to defend your right to inexplicably enjoy the space adventures of that little prick