You may have noticed a distinct lack of return2ozma. This is due to their admitting, in a public comment, that their engagement here is in bad faith:

I’m sure there will be questions, let me see if I can address the most obvious ones:

  1. Can I still post negative stuff about Biden?

Absolutely! We have zero interest in running an echo chamber. However, if ALL you’re posting is negative, you may want to re-think your priorities. You get out of the world what you put into it and all that.

  1. Why now?

Presumption of innocence. It may be my own fault, but I do try to think the best of people, and even though they were posting negative articles, they weren’t necessarily WRONG. Biden’s poll numbers, particularly in minority demographics ARE in the shitter. They are starting to get better, but he still has a hell of a hill to climb.

  1. Why a 30 day temp ban and not a permanent ban?

The articles return2ozma shared weren’t bad, faked, or from some wing-nut bias site like “beforeitsnews.com”, they were legitimate articles from established and respected news agencies, pointing out the valid problems Biden faces.

The problem was ONLY posting the negatives, over and over and then openly admitting that dishonest enagement is their purpose.

Had they all been bullshit articles? It would not have taken anywhere near this much time to lay the ban and it would have been permanent.

30 days seems enough time for them to re-think their strategery and come back to engage honestly.

tl;dr - https://youtu.be/C6BYzLIqKB8#t=7s

  • theprogressivist
    9•7 months ago

    (Criticizing the government does not count as trying to overthrow it, even if you’re lying to do so. Advancing an impeachment process or taking violent action against the government counts.)

    Lol, so you’re saying lying in order to stop the will of the people is not considered trying overthrowing the government? Trying to stop the certification of an elected official, raiding the capital, building a gallow to hang the VP, not to mention trying to activate the national guard to stop the certification process. Not fascist at all, according to you.

    There’s nothing wrong about critiquing the government, but if you’re willfully ignoring everything that’s happened even before the 2016 election, you’re not arguing in good faith, champ.

    • Raphaël A. Costeau
      -6•7 months ago

      Lol, so you’re saying lying in order to stop the will of the people is not considered overthrowing the government?

      Lying is totally a right by the First Amendment, no matter what your goal is with it.

      Trying to stop the certification of an elected official, raiding the capital, building a gallow to hang the VP, not to mention trying to activate the national guard to stop the certification process. Not fascist at all, according to you.

      I didn’t say in any moment that I don’t acknowledge the Republican Party as fascist or the January 6th as a fascist movement. What I implied by

      people that call themselves Republicans

      is that you can’t say that the “Republican Party did this” when “who did this” were a bunch of civilians who weren’t being run directly by the Republican Party. Nor did I say that I don’t consider January 6th an attempt to overthrow the government. My parenthesis

      (Criticizing the government does not count as trying to overthrow it, even if you’re lying to do so. Advancing an impeachment process or taking violent action against the government counts.)

      talks about considering evidence of “trying to overthrow the government” other actions after January 6th.

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      • theprogressivist
        8•7 months ago

        Lying is totally a right by the First Amendment, no matter what your goal is with it.

        I never said otherwise, but they lied and still are in an attempt to overturn the election.

        is that you can’t say that the “Republican Party did this” when “who did this” were a bunch of civilians who weren’t being run directly by the Republican Party.

        Lowering them goalposts.

        You absolutely can, who lead the charge? Who organized the entire rally? Who helped bus in the Republicans from all over the country? The GOP. They are complicit and are the ones who organized the entire coup attempt. On top of being in kahoots with right-wing militias like the proud boys who their leader (who has been charged) also had an active role on J6

        • Raphaël A. Costeau
          -5•7 months ago

          Let’s agree with you that the Republican Party did it. But back to my starting point:

          So you are only fascist when you organize (and fund) fascist militias in your own country? Are other countries fair game?

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          • theprogressivist
            5•7 months ago

            So you are only fascist when you organize fascist militias in your own country? Are other countries fair game?

            Nice loaded question.

            How about you ask your own country? Is your country innocent of interfering with other countries?

            • Raphaël A. Costeau
              -3•7 months ago

              Nice loaded question.

              Let’s “unload” then. If organizing fascist militias in your own country makes you fascist (I agree with that, by the way), why doing the same in other countries don’t? (if you think it’s are still loaded, you may not answer)

              I would just like to remind you that you have been running away from the central points of my arguments since the beginning of this discussion, it was you who distorted my speech as if I had said that I did not consider January 6th a fascist movement and an attempt to overthrow the government, and it was you who inserted my country when it had absolutely nothing to do with the subject.

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            • Raphaël A. Costeau
              -3•7 months ago

              Here’s the thing, I don’t defend the current political system of my country at all. And when my country was not being interfered by yours, it was interfering at the behest of yours. And not even in the darkest hour was it funding fascist militias in other countries.

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