You shouldn’t buy a framework because you will be robbing yourself of the joy of a brand new laptop every 3 to 5 years because the battery is not replaceable or the WiFi chip went bad and it is soldered in. Think of all the innovations you will be missing out on because you are just swapping parts out like some kind of animal.
Do you think this is some kind of investment or something? Computers are just disposable things that everyone can afford. Why bother fixing things? I just have my butler go grab me a new one whenever I accidentally drop it in the pool while browsing on my floating inflatable chair.
lol. Look at the current state and trend of tech and tell me with a straight face that it’s you who will be getting the innovation. What amazing feature was introduced in the last 10 years you couldn’t live without? How much garbage was introduced just because companies could get away with it because the average consumers PC is powerful enough to not notice the spyware/adware/bloatware running in the background?
Yes, buy the new thing. Consume. Trash. Buy new.
I don’t even value repairability to save a buck long term. I value it because I know I can get my system up and running again ways before I finish setup on a new device.
There have been a ton of innovative hardware and software features. Such as ADs in the start menu, firmware locked parts to the system, always on facial recognition cameras, soldered on ssd storage, windows recall, AI processors, planned obsolescence.
If I could expand my storage then there would be less point in my OS begging me to subscribe to my own computer. That’s why soldering the SSD is good, it will help me enjoy my subscription to my hardware.
You are doing it wrong. Framework is easy to DIY, use that option and bring your own memory and storage. Only get what you need right now, you can always upgrade later when prices come down. Instead of the included charger, get a high quality third party 65W GAN charger. All that gets the cost down to about 1600 with barely any downside. Don’t buy a modular device without using the modularity to your advantage.
Will it be a legend like Thinkpad in 10years? Probably not. Is it better than 99.99% of unrepairable essentially disposable laptops ? Fucking yes it is.
Looks like they’re the ones for the expansion slots, which come iirc in 250gb and 1tb options. The ports are modular, and you could forgo one (or three) say USB ports and replace them with memory (or ethernet, SD, MicroSD, HDMI, etc.) And swap them around at will.
Idk what is inside the cards, but there are files out there to 3Dprint a shell for one that can take the guts from a USB thumb drive to act as the same thing, which I’m gonna print soon enough.
I work with typescript on a very large codebase. If I have the code editor open and the run a typecheck at the same time, plus some electron apps and Spotify playing, it can easily fill my 32GB of ram, so 64 would be the next cool number to not have to worry about ram ever.
Fuck Electron. I hate that current trend. I like my long battery life and being able to run more than 3 applications on my MacBook Pro.
I will always use the example of how I subscribed to Spotify for a couple months back in 2015 and realized that the app constantly sat at the top of the Using Significant Energy list on my mac and was the reason the fan was so loud. I switched away to Apple Music for that sole reason. iTunes by comparison was very power efficient. It plays music for gods sake. How can you fail at playing music that badly.
For some reason Spotify is even worse than the average electron app. Back when I still had only 16GB of ram (and worked on this same project), running out of ram would cause some random app to close. If I had Spotify open, it would freeze the whole system instead.
Futureproofing it for the next N years? Playing some mad games?
Honestly no idea I just thought to take the current top tier benchmark and one-up it.
Edit: on reflection I generally max out my MBPs out of habit to get the longest shelf life possible. Perhaps it’s just habit.
Edit2: if it helps I tend to get a new laptop every 5/6 years. The aim here would be to happily bespoke the hell out of a system and get more than 6 years out of it.
unfortunately it’s a reasonable amount of memory nowadays. I do 3D and print, and I tickle the bottom of my 32GiB more often than not. I’m upgrading soon
compiling programs with gcc takes roughly 2GB per thread, if you want to compile with all but two threads and play modded Minecraft on the remaining two it can definitely take a lot of ram
Ok fuck it.
Tell me why i shouldn’t go for this as my next daily driver after one MBP after another for over 15 yrs. I’m serious.
You shouldn’t buy a framework because you will be robbing yourself of the joy of a brand new laptop every 3 to 5 years because the battery is not replaceable or the WiFi chip went bad and it is soldered in. Think of all the innovations you will be missing out on because you are just swapping parts out like some kind of animal.
Do you think this is some kind of investment or something? Computers are just disposable things that everyone can afford. Why bother fixing things? I just have my butler go grab me a new one whenever I accidentally drop it in the pool while browsing on my floating inflatable chair.
lol. Look at the current state and trend of tech and tell me with a straight face that it’s you who will be getting the innovation. What amazing feature was introduced in the last 10 years you couldn’t live without? How much garbage was introduced just because companies could get away with it because the average consumers PC is powerful enough to not notice the spyware/adware/bloatware running in the background?
Yes, buy the new thing. Consume. Trash. Buy new.
I don’t even value repairability to save a buck long term. I value it because I know I can get my system up and running again ways before I finish setup on a new device.
There have been a ton of innovative hardware and software features. Such as ADs in the start menu, firmware locked parts to the system, always on facial recognition cameras, soldered on ssd storage, windows recall, AI processors, planned obsolescence.
So much innovation in such little time.
If I could expand my storage then there would be less point in my OS begging me to subscribe to my own computer. That’s why soldering the SSD is good, it will help me enjoy my subscription to my hardware.
At least the framwork has windows support - I couldn’t bear the thought of forcing linux onto people and have them missing out.
You are doing it wrong. Framework is easy to DIY, use that option and bring your own memory and storage. Only get what you need right now, you can always upgrade later when prices come down. Instead of the included charger, get a high quality third party 65W GAN charger. All that gets the cost down to about 1600 with barely any downside. Don’t buy a modular device without using the modularity to your advantage.
This is exactly what I did. I love my framework.
Will it be a legend like Thinkpad in 10years? Probably not. Is it better than 99.99% of unrepairable essentially disposable laptops ? Fucking yes it is.
I think you might need more storage.
Wow thats a both pricey and monstrous specs (IDK about the proc but seems like a beast too!).
What’s the 3 x 1TB cards? SSDs ??
I’d assume they’re SSDs. Fitting three disk drives in a laptop sounds like a bad idea to me.
Looks like they’re the ones for the expansion slots, which come iirc in 250gb and 1tb options. The ports are modular, and you could forgo one (or three) say USB ports and replace them with memory (or ethernet, SD, MicroSD, HDMI, etc.) And swap them around at will.
Idk what is inside the cards, but there are files out there to 3Dprint a shell for one that can take the guts from a USB thumb drive to act as the same thing, which I’m gonna print soon enough.
Be me, using my 2011 MBP in 2024
What are you going to use 64GB of RAM for?
I work with typescript on a very large codebase. If I have the code editor open and the run a typecheck at the same time, plus some electron apps and Spotify playing, it can easily fill my 32GB of ram, so 64 would be the next cool number to not have to worry about ram ever.
sighs deeply
I love modern software development. “What are you doing with that 32GB of RAM?” “Editing a 6KB text file”
Fuck Electron. I hate that current trend. I like my long battery life and being able to run more than 3 applications on my MacBook Pro.
I will always use the example of how I subscribed to Spotify for a couple months back in 2015 and realized that the app constantly sat at the top of the Using Significant Energy list on my mac and was the reason the fan was so loud. I switched away to Apple Music for that sole reason. iTunes by comparison was very power efficient. It plays music for gods sake. How can you fail at playing music that badly.
For some reason Spotify is even worse than the average electron app. Back when I still had only 16GB of ram (and worked on this same project), running out of ram would cause some random app to close. If I had Spotify open, it would freeze the whole system instead.
You had me at typescript.
Futureproofing it for the next N years? Playing some mad games? Honestly no idea I just thought to take the current top tier benchmark and one-up it.
Edit: on reflection I generally max out my MBPs out of habit to get the longest shelf life possible. Perhaps it’s just habit.
Edit2: if it helps I tend to get a new laptop every 5/6 years. The aim here would be to happily bespoke the hell out of a system and get more than 6 years out of it.
unfortunately it’s a reasonable amount of memory nowadays. I do 3D and print, and I tickle the bottom of my 32GiB more often than not. I’m upgrading soon
IDK about them but I’m running 3 vms and RDR2 at the same time and like 60 Firefox tabs.
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compiling programs with gcc takes roughly 2GB per thread, if you want to compile with all but two threads and play modded Minecraft on the remaining two it can definitely take a lot of ram