Yeah, lefties just hate how Shapiro called Netanyahu “a dangerous and destructive force” and “one of the worst leaders of all time.”
This is all just attacks from the people who can’t attack Biden anymore but know they’d look bad saying Kamala isn’t left enough. They prop us Walz because they know he won’t get picked, even though he’s been just as bad as Shapiro on Gaza. Shapiro has been explicit when he’s said Netanyahu is an obstacle to peace, something Walz has not said afaik.
Make no mistake: there’s a reason the person who posted this is known for spamming anti-Biden content.
No other potential nominee has been as bad as Shapiro on Gaza. There’s a specific complaint about how he’s worse right there in the article.
“[He] was unique among the top VP picks in his willingness to deploy the National Guard on peaceful protestors. He even went as far as to compare peaceful university protestors to KKK ralliers.”
When Biden dropped out, I asked r2o in a number of their threads if they were going to cool it with the source-agnostic concern troll spamming. Never got an answer. It was pretty obvious where this was going.
You’re wrong. He’s been providing weapons and funding used to commit the genocide, sometimes even doing so without Congress.
To claim that providing such invaluable resources via his own decisions isn’t participation is naive at best, disingenously excusing the crucial US role as inconsequential at worst.
No, he’s providing weapons and funding for the defense of Israel.
Israel is misappropriating that support for the Genocide.
Disingenuous it is.
At this point, he can’t have a shadow of a doubt what they’re using it for.
If you’re giving some $20 knowing full well that they’re going to use them for drugs, you’re not giving them lunch money. You’re giving them drug money.
Biden is providing weapons that he KNOWS are going to be used to commit genocide (which is in itself illegal according to US and international law btw), including weapons with no defensive purposes such as bombs.
Your “he’s just innocently providing for their self defense” excuse is absolutely ridiculous and I very much doubt that you even believe it yourself.
when someone deliberately does something violent to innocent people, attacking them *first * and you respond that they have the right to “defend themselves”, yes you are complicit.
Israel isn’t and has never “defended” itself. It is the instigator of this conflict.
Biden has repeatedly stated, correctly, that Israel has the right to defend itself, as any other nation does
Yes, but that’s demonstrably NOT what they’re doing and he knows it for a fact.
The funding is intended for that defense
That’s the official Hasbara gaslighting, sure, but it’s obviously not the truth.
Now, what Israel does with that support after we give it to them? That’s on them.
Not when it’s known beforehand. Again: providing weapons that you have reason to suspect MIGHT be used to commit war crimes is illegal according to both US and international law.
In the case of Israel, it’s far beyond a reasonable suspicion, it’s an absolute CERTAINTY.
We made the good faith donation
No. If it had been in good faith, it would have stopped the moment there was evidence that it was being used for anything else than the stated purpose. That point was DECADES ago and the weapons are still coming.
they’re the one abusing it.
Again: Biden KNOWS without a shadow of a doubt what they’re using them for. He would have to be sundowning as badly as the worst Republican conspiracy theories claim he is to not know. And he isn’t.
That does not make Biden complicit in Israel’s crimes.
Yeah, it ABSOLUTELY does. He KNOWS what those weapons are used for and still he keeps sending them. That he’s unconvincingly pretending not to isn’t a valid excuse and thus doesn’t absolve him of his complicity.
What Biden knows is irrelevant. He’s providing the support in good faith, Israel is abusing it. Specifically Bibi is abusing it. That is not Biden’s fault.
This is a clear illustration of how you don’t understand how things work in politics and diplomacy. I suggest you brush up before engaging in discussions where the topic addresses these things.
I understand just fine that the US diplomatic and political stance is that Israel is exempt from all rules.
That doesn’t erase the genocide or the US complicity in It though, and if you think it does, YOU are the one who needs to reacquaint yourself with reality outside of the Zionist kayfabe before "engaging in discussions where the topic addresses these things“.
Also, could you possibly be any more arrogantly condescending? Please cut that shit out, lest you appear to suffer from a bad case of the Dunning Kruger effect.
Not that I’m agreeing with OP or the “lefties”, but if that’s why you think they’re talking about it you’re missing a lot. It’s just not that simple, and putting it into terms like that certainly isn’t going to get people to think the same way as you.
Again, not trying to start a shit slinging match. I honestly will vote for Kamala either way, because that’s who my vote is for.
Preemptively labeling him “Genocide Josh” is no less reductive or divisive. Them putting it in terms like that isn’t going to get people to think the same way as them. Yet here we are, with them being given a giant megaphone and the party having to cater to their self-defeating absolutism.
That’s exactly what I just said. Am I going insane here? Neither of these things are good ways to deal with it. We need unity on the left, not infighting and misleading. It’s okay to call out BS when you see it, but name calling and misleading comments should be left out of it.
I have the luxury of not growing up influenced by shitty adults, so maybe it’s easy to cast judgement, but his college statement was pretty seriously racist. And it wasn’t just quietly racist, but actively sending it in to the opinion section to have it broadcast to everyone at his school. I’m willing to accept that people can grow out of racism, but I’d find it pretty reasonable for the targets of that racism to strongly object to someone who went out of their way to write a racist opinion piece in college. And like, we could just choose someone without that stain.
Yeah, lefties just hate how Shapiro called Netanyahu “a dangerous and destructive force” and “one of the worst leaders of all time.”
This is all just attacks from the people who can’t attack Biden anymore but know they’d look bad saying Kamala isn’t left enough. They prop us Walz because they know he won’t get picked, even though he’s been just as bad as Shapiro on Gaza. Shapiro has been explicit when he’s said Netanyahu is an obstacle to peace, something Walz has not said afaik.
Make no mistake: there’s a reason the person who posted this is known for spamming anti-Biden content.
No other potential nominee has been as bad as Shapiro on Gaza. There’s a specific complaint about how he’s worse right there in the article.
When Biden dropped out, I asked r2o in a number of their threads if they were going to cool it with the source-agnostic concern troll spamming. Never got an answer. It was pretty obvious where this was going.
“anything critical of Democrats is trolling!”
Yeah, no. I even said I’d still post critical news articles as well as positive news about Biden/Harris/Dems.
They’re lost.
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It’s called engagement. I’m good at it. You’ll see me on the frontpage daily. I keep you entertained. Are you not entertained?
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You were fine until the end, Biden is not an active participant in Genocide. Removed for misinformation.
You’re wrong. He’s been providing weapons and funding used to commit the genocide, sometimes even doing so without Congress.
To claim that providing such invaluable resources via his own decisions isn’t participation is naive at best, disingenously excusing the crucial US role as inconsequential at worst.
No, he’s providing weapons and funding for the defense of Israel.
Israel is misappropriating that support for the Genocide.
Biden is not directly doing anything related to the Genocide, that’s all on Bibi.
If I give someone $20 for lunch and they blow it on drugs instead, I’m not actively supporting their drug habit.
Disingenuous it is.
At this point, he can’t have a shadow of a doubt what they’re using it for.
If you’re giving some $20 knowing full well that they’re going to use them for drugs, you’re not giving them lunch money. You’re giving them drug money.
Biden is providing weapons that he KNOWS are going to be used to commit genocide (which is in itself illegal according to US and international law btw), including weapons with no defensive purposes such as bombs.
Your “he’s just innocently providing for their self defense” excuse is absolutely ridiculous and I very much doubt that you even believe it yourself.
It’s not being disingenuous.
Biden has repeatedly stated, correctly, that Israel has the right to defend itself, as any other nation does:
https://youtu.be/Oz1BAOjaTqs
The funding is intended for that defense.
Now, what Israel does with that support after we give it to them? That’s on them. We made the good faith donation, they’re the one abusing it.
That does not make Biden complicit in Israel’s crimes.
when someone deliberately does something violent to innocent people, attacking them *first * and you respond that they have the right to “defend themselves”, yes you are complicit.
Israel isn’t and has never “defended” itself. It is the instigator of this conflict.
Not on October 7th they weren’t. Nobody at that music festival was actively attacking Palestinians. Get that bullshit out of your head right now.
Yes, but that’s demonstrably NOT what they’re doing and he knows it for a fact.
That’s the official Hasbara gaslighting, sure, but it’s obviously not the truth.
Not when it’s known beforehand. Again: providing weapons that you have reason to suspect MIGHT be used to commit war crimes is illegal according to both US and international law.
In the case of Israel, it’s far beyond a reasonable suspicion, it’s an absolute CERTAINTY.
No. If it had been in good faith, it would have stopped the moment there was evidence that it was being used for anything else than the stated purpose. That point was DECADES ago and the weapons are still coming.
Again: Biden KNOWS without a shadow of a doubt what they’re using them for. He would have to be sundowning as badly as the worst Republican conspiracy theories claim he is to not know. And he isn’t.
Yeah, it ABSOLUTELY does. He KNOWS what those weapons are used for and still he keeps sending them. That he’s unconvincingly pretending not to isn’t a valid excuse and thus doesn’t absolve him of his complicity.
What Biden knows is irrelevant. He’s providing the support in good faith, Israel is abusing it. Specifically Bibi is abusing it. That is not Biden’s fault.
And this should be the point to end the argument. Well said.
Wrong on both accounts, since the entire world including Biden KNOWS what those weapons are going to be used for beforehand.
He’s not sending bombs and missile guiding systems for self defense. He’s sending them to be used to commit genocide and he knows it.
This is a clear illustration of how you don’t understand how things work in politics and diplomacy. I suggest you brush up before engaging in discussions where the topic addresses these things.
I understand just fine that the US diplomatic and political stance is that Israel is exempt from all rules.
That doesn’t erase the genocide or the US complicity in It though, and if you think it does, YOU are the one who needs to reacquaint yourself with reality outside of the Zionist kayfabe before "engaging in discussions where the topic addresses these things“.
Also, could you possibly be any more arrogantly condescending? Please cut that shit out, lest you appear to suffer from a bad case of the Dunning Kruger effect.
Not that I’m agreeing with OP or the “lefties”, but if that’s why you think they’re talking about it you’re missing a lot. It’s just not that simple, and putting it into terms like that certainly isn’t going to get people to think the same way as you.
Again, not trying to start a shit slinging match. I honestly will vote for Kamala either way, because that’s who my vote is for.
Preemptively labeling him “Genocide Josh” is no less reductive or divisive. Them putting it in terms like that isn’t going to get people to think the same way as them. Yet here we are, with them being given a giant megaphone and the party having to cater to their self-defeating absolutism.
I agree. Which is why Jeff said what they said. But doing what they’re doing because they did it first probably won’t help either side.
Once again, I am not taking a side or trying to sling shit. It’s not going to matter for me either way. I’m still voting for blue no matter who.
Neither will the “movement.”
That’s exactly what I just said. Am I going insane here? Neither of these things are good ways to deal with it. We need unity on the left, not infighting and misleading. It’s okay to call out BS when you see it, but name calling and misleading comments should be left out of it.
Tell OP. We’ve been trying to rationalize with them for a year, to no avail. Same old petulant bullshit, day in and day out.
I don’t love that he volunteered for the IDF, but I can also acknowledge that I’m a different person than I was 20+ years ago.
I’d prefer Kelly, personally.
I have the luxury of not growing up influenced by shitty adults, so maybe it’s easy to cast judgement, but his college statement was pretty seriously racist. And it wasn’t just quietly racist, but actively sending it in to the opinion section to have it broadcast to everyone at his school. I’m willing to accept that people can grow out of racism, but I’d find it pretty reasonable for the targets of that racism to strongly object to someone who went out of their way to write a racist opinion piece in college. And like, we could just choose someone without that stain.
Whose?
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Whose college statement are you referring to? Shapiro’s, or Kelly’s?
Shapiro’s.
He did a school project on a Kibutz doing something there. It happened to be facilitated by the IDF but I believe was arranged through his synagogue
Kelly is no better on Gaza policy
I didn’t say why I’d prefer Kelly.
Reportedly Kelly is out at this point and it’s down to Walz and Shapiro. Source: AP, CBS within the past hour.
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And yet…
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And yet.
Who was wrong about Walz.
Why do you think you were wrong?
What was I wrong about? Shapiro was the frontrunner.