• @Viking_Hippie
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    01 month ago

    Biden has repeatedly stated, correctly, that Israel has the right to defend itself, as any other nation does

    Yes, but that’s demonstrably NOT what they’re doing and he knows it for a fact.

    The funding is intended for that defense

    That’s the official Hasbara gaslighting, sure, but it’s obviously not the truth.

    Now, what Israel does with that support after we give it to them? That’s on them.

    Not when it’s known beforehand. Again: providing weapons that you have reason to suspect MIGHT be used to commit war crimes is illegal according to both US and international law.

    In the case of Israel, it’s far beyond a reasonable suspicion, it’s an absolute CERTAINTY.

    We made the good faith donation

    No. If it had been in good faith, it would have stopped the moment there was evidence that it was being used for anything else than the stated purpose. That point was DECADES ago and the weapons are still coming.

    they’re the one abusing it.

    Again: Biden KNOWS without a shadow of a doubt what they’re using them for. He would have to be sundowning as badly as the worst Republican conspiracy theories claim he is to not know. And he isn’t.

    That does not make Biden complicit in Israel’s crimes.

    Yeah, it ABSOLUTELY does. He KNOWS what those weapons are used for and still he keeps sending them. That he’s unconvincingly pretending not to isn’t a valid excuse and thus doesn’t absolve him of his complicity.

    • @jordanlundM
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      11 month ago

      What Biden knows is irrelevant. He’s providing the support in good faith, Israel is abusing it. Specifically Bibi is abusing it. That is not Biden’s fault.

      • @Viking_Hippie
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        01 month ago

        What Biden knows is irrelevant. He’s providing the support in good faith

        That’s not how good faith works. Good faith is when you do something benevolent thinking that your actions aren’t going to have negative repercussions.

        The fact that he KNOWS that to not be the case means that he is NOT acting in good faith.

        Putting a “for self defense only, not genocide” sticker on a bomb that you KNOW without a shadow of a doubt is going to be used to commit genocide does NOT absolve you of your responsibility to not knowingly contribute to the genocide.

        Specifically Bibi is abusing it. That is not Biden’s fault.

        Right about the first part, wrong about the second.

        While it’s of course PRIMARILY the fault of Netanyahu, the fact that Biden knows and still keeps the weapons coming makes him an indispensable accessory to Netanyahu’s crimes against humanity.

        Without weapons there is no genocide. Most of the weapons come from the US. Ergo, without the US there is at WORST a genocide of a much smaller scale.

        • @jordanlundM
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          01 month ago

          noun: good faith

          honesty or sincerity of intention.

          “the details contained in this brochure have been published in good faith”

          Biden believes, legitimately believes, Israel has the right to defend itself and provided honest and sincere support with that intent.

          That is NOT the same as actively engaging in genocide.

          • @Viking_Hippie
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            11 month ago

            Biden believes, legitimately believes, Israel has the right to defend itself and provided honest and sincere support with that intent.

            That’s all well and good, but when he knows that they’re being used for genocide and STILL sends them, his stated intent doesn’t matter since he KNOWS that it’s not going to be fulfilled.

            To go back to your own analogy about lunch/drug money:

            If you give a guy $20 a day for lunch every day and every day you see him spending that money on drugs, how long can you keep watching the originally unintended consequence of your generosity before putting two and two together and realizing that what you’re doing is paying for drugs, no matter how much either of you pretends that you’re just giving him lunch money?