Do I feel bad they bought a shit car with shit terms? No. He should have been smarter.
Do I feel bad people are targeting his car because of something someone else did? Yes.
It’s not like he wrapped the car with a bunch of inflammatory imagery like I’ve seen some have. He’s just got his stupid car and people are fucking with it. This doesn’t help crash Tesla. It doesn’t hurt Tesla at all. It’s misdirected.
Got after Tesla charge stations instead. Go after the dealerships. Go after Elon.
It’s not like he wrapped the car with a bunch of inflammatory imagery like I’ve seen some have.
I would argue that the car itself is inflammatory to anyone who believes he’s a fascist.
He’s just got his stupid car and people are fucking with it.
If goebbels had a car company and you bought a car from him, fully knowing he was a Nazi… I would probably say there’s a pretty high chance you are also a Nazi.
This doesn’t help crash Tesla. It doesn’t hurt Tesla at all. It’s misdirected.
If your car gets trashed every time you take it out because of the public’s disdain for its CEO, are you going to buy another?
If goebbels had a car company and you bought a car from him, fully knowing he was a Nazi… I would probably say there’s a pretty high chance you are also a Nazi.
I agree. But many of these CTs were sold well before Musk went all Nazi.
He’s been a weirdo for years, but that’s somewhat understandable when people get a fuck ton of money. Look at John McAfee.
Yes, trashing Tesla’s makes people not want to buy them. I just think trashing the Tesla infrastructure is better.
Please don’t go after the charge stations. Other car brands use them, and Teslas use non-Tesla charging stations as well. It’s kind of a free for all with chargers.
The other Tesla models, I get many people bought it for its EV properties, like people don’t wonder about the views of the CEO of general motors, Toyota etc. in their car purchases. The cybertruck it is very clear that one bought in Musk’s specific visions, so it’s fairer game.
Aren’t you hurting the person by harming their property?
I’m asking if we can go after every American since America does shit things? So spray paint their doors and houses, throw paint on their clothes, dump garbage in front of their doors.
Obviously thats silly because we don’t know if that particular American supports the fascist right running the USA. It’s also silly saying wrecking every Tesla is right.
Aren’t you hurting the person by harming their property?
Lol, no. Property does not have feelings, nor is a person driving a near 6 figure vanity truck going to experience undue financial instability by having their property vandalized.
I’m asking if we can go after every American since America does shit things?
Another false equivocation… Did every American choose to be American? Or do you think being born is the same as choosing to empower a fascist?
Obviously thats silly because we don’t know if that particular American supports the fascist right running the USA.
No, it’s just a stupid comparison to begin with. Again, the important aspect you continue to ignore is that owning a particular piece of property is a choice, and the people who can afford cyber trucks aren’t going to be financially destroyed by buying a different car. Meaning they choose to perpetuate their choice.
It’s more like if a billionaires 3rd mansion gets burned down, you’re not really that sorry for them are you? It’s a magnitude of difference as to how it effects someone, and I don’t see any lower middle class people driving cyber trucks.
So you’re just ignoring the rest of the argument…?
Again, your claim only contains an iota of weight if you grossly over generalize and disregard nuance.
A home is not the same as a luxury vehicle. My home wasn’t built by a neo Nazi, nor does it enrich a neo Nazi. My home hasn’t been turned into a dog whistle for fascist who want to enrich their favorite neo Nazi. You do not become homeless when someone vandalizes your 100k vanity truck…
If you for some reason vandalized my house with graffiti…I would simply power wash it. I would not claim that I’ve personally been harmed, because I am not my property.
Maybe I’ll get flamed for this, but yes, target random Americans for their government’s behavior is normal and effective, depending on where you are.
The idea that protest can succeed without causing trouble for someone is naive.
Yeah, if I went to Afghanistan in 2003 i’d expect to be targeted as an American, regardless of my personal opinions.
And so if I were personally invested in visiting somewhere, but found out it’s dangerous for Americans, that would definitely impact my opinion of the current leadership and what I’m going to do about it.
People tend not to actually change unless there’s a strong motivation. Not being able to go places you want to go, own things you want to own safely, or simply exist without being hated are some of the oldest reasons why a populace might rise up against their government
I dont know how you got that message from what I said. Canadian, american, icelandic tesla’s are all fair game. If you’re asking if hurting americans is free game, then you completely misinterpreted what I was saying
Do I feel bad they bought a shit car with shit terms? No. He should have been smarter.
Do I feel bad people are targeting his car because of something someone else did? Yes.
It’s not like he wrapped the car with a bunch of inflammatory imagery like I’ve seen some have. He’s just got his stupid car and people are fucking with it. This doesn’t help crash Tesla. It doesn’t hurt Tesla at all. It’s misdirected.
Got after Tesla charge stations instead. Go after the dealerships. Go after Elon.
If the risk of this happening dissuades people from buying a tesla themselves it hurts tesla.
I would argue that the car itself is inflammatory to anyone who believes he’s a fascist.
If goebbels had a car company and you bought a car from him, fully knowing he was a Nazi… I would probably say there’s a pretty high chance you are also a Nazi.
If your car gets trashed every time you take it out because of the public’s disdain for its CEO, are you going to buy another?
I agree. But many of these CTs were sold well before Musk went all Nazi.
He’s been a weirdo for years, but that’s somewhat understandable when people get a fuck ton of money. Look at John McAfee.
Yes, trashing Tesla’s makes people not want to buy them. I just think trashing the Tesla infrastructure is better.
Ehh… Maybe valid with other Teslas, but musk has been letting the mask slip way before late 2023.
Why not both?
Please don’t go after the charge stations. Other car brands use them, and Teslas use non-Tesla charging stations as well. It’s kind of a free for all with chargers.
The other Tesla models, I get many people bought it for its EV properties, like people don’t wonder about the views of the CEO of general motors, Toyota etc. in their car purchases. The cybertruck it is very clear that one bought in Musk’s specific visions, so it’s fairer game.
The cybertruck is an obscenity just from how dangerous it is for pedestrians and how heavy and inefficient it is.
Add the nazi psychopath who purports to run the company only makes it worse.
Vandalizing Cybertrucks is actually quite based and awesome.
Dont forget he willingly supported elons business
Anything tesla is fair game
And any American is free game, right?
I think we might be able to muster up enough nuance to determine the difference between an inanimate object and a person, right?
Aren’t you hurting the person by harming their property?
I’m asking if we can go after every American since America does shit things? So spray paint their doors and houses, throw paint on their clothes, dump garbage in front of their doors.
Obviously thats silly because we don’t know if that particular American supports the fascist right running the USA. It’s also silly saying wrecking every Tesla is right.
Lol, no. Property does not have feelings, nor is a person driving a near 6 figure vanity truck going to experience undue financial instability by having their property vandalized.
Another false equivocation… Did every American choose to be American? Or do you think being born is the same as choosing to empower a fascist?
No, it’s just a stupid comparison to begin with. Again, the important aspect you continue to ignore is that owning a particular piece of property is a choice, and the people who can afford cyber trucks aren’t going to be financially destroyed by buying a different car. Meaning they choose to perpetuate their choice.
So if I burned your house down, you wouldn’t be hurt by this action?
It’s more like if a billionaires 3rd mansion gets burned down, you’re not really that sorry for them are you? It’s a magnitude of difference as to how it effects someone, and I don’t see any lower middle class people driving cyber trucks.
So you’re just ignoring the rest of the argument…?
Again, your claim only contains an iota of weight if you grossly over generalize and disregard nuance.
A home is not the same as a luxury vehicle. My home wasn’t built by a neo Nazi, nor does it enrich a neo Nazi. My home hasn’t been turned into a dog whistle for fascist who want to enrich their favorite neo Nazi. You do not become homeless when someone vandalizes your 100k vanity truck…
If you for some reason vandalized my house with graffiti…I would simply power wash it. I would not claim that I’ve personally been harmed, because I am not my property.
Maybe I’ll get flamed for this, but yes, target random Americans for their government’s behavior is normal and effective, depending on where you are.
The idea that protest can succeed without causing trouble for someone is naive.
Yeah, if I went to Afghanistan in 2003 i’d expect to be targeted as an American, regardless of my personal opinions.
And so if I were personally invested in visiting somewhere, but found out it’s dangerous for Americans, that would definitely impact my opinion of the current leadership and what I’m going to do about it.
People tend not to actually change unless there’s a strong motivation. Not being able to go places you want to go, own things you want to own safely, or simply exist without being hated are some of the oldest reasons why a populace might rise up against their government
I dont know how you got that message from what I said. Canadian, american, icelandic tesla’s are all fair game. If you’re asking if hurting americans is free game, then you completely misinterpreted what I was saying