• @dhork
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    112 days ago

    Judges can issue orders for all that, but they have no enforcement mechanism of their own. Enforcement of orders is done through bodies like the US Marshals, which are ultimately under the executive branch. What happens if a judge issues a ruling, but the President instructs everyone under him not to enforce it?

    • @just_another_personOP
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      You’re wrong. Not only wrong, but for some reason bringing up a federal law enforcement agency that most states don’t even allow to operate as intended. You can watch videos about this on YouTube if you want.

      I’m sure you’ve seen these true crime shows on TV where people are immediately taken into custody in court and sent straight to jail if found guilty. Without me going into a civics lesson, if a judge declares you guilty of a crime, law enforcement has to incarcerate you. That is the LAW part of government.

      The local police are the enforcement army of this, even for federal Judges who operate at a local level.

      A judge finds you guilty of a crime, your are arrested and go to jail.

      This is where contempt of court comes in. If you refuse to comply with a court order, you are immediately arrested and put in jail. You are held in contempt of court for not complying with a court order. This is not under the purview of state or federal law for pardons because there is no crime committed, you are being held in contempt of court, a branch of government.

      A federal judge who is telling Trump’s lackeys to stop what they are doing can absolutely fire off a number of contempt charges that Trump can’t intervene with.

      Elon doesn’t comply? Freeze his banking assets.

      DOJ head doesn’t comply , assume judgement and have her arrested if she steps foot in the judge’s territory.

      On and on until they comply.

      What you’re clearly not understanding is that a single judge can destroy this cabinet by simple levers provided by the constitution, and take any of the low level people into jail or also freeze their assets if they don’t comply.

      DOGE employee: jail and frozen assets

      Local Podunk Texas cop who refuses to enforce: jail and frozen assets.

      It’s all the way down until people comply with the LAW, and the judges enforce these laws.

      • @[email protected]
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        31 day ago

        A judge finds you guilty of a crime, your are arrested and go to jail.

        DOGE employee: jail and frozen assets

        Local Podunk Texas cop who refuses to enforce: jail and frozen assets.

        Former President Convicted of 34 Felonies: No Restrictions

        Justice Juan Merchan followed through on a promise made one week ago to give Trump a sentence of unconditional discharge, which includes neither jail time nor any other restriction that might impede Trump after his inauguration on Jan. 20.

        THIS is what we’re all screaming at you while you ask if we ever took a civics class.

        TRUMP IS ABOVE THE LAW and he was above the law before he even took office this time around.

        We’re all handwaving away your assurances because they are all about things that CAN happen in a world where people are following the rules and things work like they should. A world that no longer exists.

        • @just_another_personOP
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          You’re missing the point. Trump doesn’t do his own dirty work. His little underlings will be the ones going to jail.

          • @[email protected]
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            When they do, I’ll come back to acknowledge I was wrong. In the meantime, I’m not holding my breath. 4 years of that was enough.

            You’re missing the point.

            No, you are missing mine.

            My point is that nothing that happened with Trump over the course of four years that gives me ANY confidence regarding how the system will work now. (see 34 felonies case)

            Your “well okay, Trump is above the law, but the folks below him might not be” is not the confidence builder you seem to think it is. When folks start going to jail (and staying there) I’ll share your enthusiasm.

            Edit: And it doesn’t count if they are going to jail after we’ve reached the “rebuilding our nation from rubble” stage.