Hot off the back of its recent leadership rejig, Mozilla has announced users of Firefox will soon be subject to a ‘Terms of Use’ policy — a first for the iconic open source web browser.

This official Terms of Use will, Mozilla argues, offer users ‘more transparency’ over their ‘rights and permissions’ as they use Firefox to browse the information superhighway — as well well as Mozilla’s “rights” to help them do it, as this excerpt makes clear:

You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet.

When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

Also about to go into effect is an updated privacy notice (aka privacy policy). This adds a crop of cushy caveats to cover the company’s planned AI chatbot integrations, cloud-based service features, and more ads and sponsored content on Firefox New Tab page.

  • ArchRecord
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    1127 hours ago

    The actual addition to the terms is essentially this:

    1. If you choose to use the optional AI chatbot sidebar feature, you’re subject to the ToS and Privacy Policy of the provider you use, just as if you’d gone to their site and used it directly. This is obvious.
    2. Mozilla will collect light data on usage, such as how frequently people use the feature overall, and how long the strings of text are that are being pasted in. That’s basically it.

    The way this article describes it as “cushy caveats” is completely misleading. It’s quite literally just “If you use a feature that integrates with third party services, you’re relying on and providing data to those services, also we want to know if the feature is actually being used and how much.”

    • @[email protected]
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      427 hours ago

      The problem is the inclusion of the feature to begin with. It should be an opt in add install.

      • ArchRecord
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        266 hours ago

        I agree to a point, but I look at this similar to how I’d view any feature in a browser. Sometimes there are features added that I don’t use, and thus, I simply won’t use them.

        This would be a problem for me if it was an “assistant” that automatically popped up over pages I was on to offer “help,” but it’s not. It’s just a sidebar you can click a button in the menu to pop out, or you can never click that button and you’ll never have to look at it.

        It’s not a feature that auto-enables in a way that actually starts sending data to any AI company, it’s just an optional interface, that you have to click a specific button to open, that can then interface with a given AI model if you choose to use it. If you don’t want to use it, then you ideally won’t even see it open during your use of Firefox.

        • @[email protected]
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          24 hours ago

          Please let them not ruin Firefox with some bullshit AI. I can’t take much more of this, Firefox is one of the last things I have left.

          • ArchRecord
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            103 hours ago

            It’s two things:

            1. Sidebar you can open from the hamburger menu that is basically just a tiny chat UI
            2. Right click to paste the selected text into the sidebar

            If you don’t want it, they don’t seem to be pushing it any further than that. Just don’t click the option in the menus and you’ll be fine. (I believe you can also fully disable the option from appearing in settings too)

            • @[email protected]
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              03 hours ago

              Yes, I gathered that from the previous comment, but thank you for the additional info.

              I just hope it doesn’t progress further in the future. AI is quite possibly a more catastrophic technological development than nuclear weapons.

              • ArchRecord
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                53 hours ago

                AI is quite possibly a more catastrophic technological development than nuclear weapons.

                I wouldn’t go that far. A technology that wastes a lot of energy and creates a lot of bad quality content isn’t the same as a bomb that directly kills millions.

        • Radioactive Butthole
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          -72 hours ago

          NOOOOOOO AI BAD ALL THE TIME THERE ARE NO CONCEIVABLE USE CASES FOR AI ITS ALL SLOP NOOOOOOO

    • @solrize
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      -26 hours ago

      So phone-home telemetry that you can’t opt out of. The ghost of Mitchell Baker will haunt us forever.

      • ArchRecord
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        196 hours ago

        So phone-home telemetry that you can’t opt out of.

        You can opt out of it. You’ve always been able to opt out of Mozilla’s telemetry. Not to mention that if you actually read the Privacy Notice, there’s an entire section detailing every single piece of telemetry that Mozilla collects, and if you read the section very clearly titled “To provide AI chatbots,” you’ll see what’s collected:

        • Technical data
        • Location
        • Settings data
        • Unique identifiers
        • Interaction data

        The consent required for the collection to even start:

        Our lawful basis

        Consent, when you choose to enable an AI Chatbot.

        And links that lead to the page explaining how to turn off telemetry even if you’re using the in-beta AI features.

        This page > FAQ > Telemetry Collection & Deletion page

        • @solrize
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          -45 hours ago

          It says they’re going to collect usage data. Nothing about opting out.

          • ArchRecord
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            94 hours ago

            Look at the links in my comment, and you’ll see that all of the categories of telemetry data there can be opted out of with that single switch.

            JFC please read the actual documents instead of going “nothing about opting out” when it’s literally right there.

            • @solrize
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              12 hours ago

              They use the term telemetry in a special way. If they are collecting info from users, that is telemetry under a different name, ok fine. Not collecting info means they receive 0 bits.

              • ArchRecord
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                12 hours ago

                I truly don’t understand what point you’re trying to make here.

                Mozilla defines telemetry as “data collection.” Any collection of data by Mozilla is considered telemetry, as is described by the docs page that is cited on the Telemetry Collection & Deletion page.

                If you deselect the Allow Firefox to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla option, this disables all telemetry, or in other words, all data collection by Mozilla.

                • @solrize
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                  121 minutes ago

                  It says

                  Mozilla will collect light data on usage, such as how frequently people use the feature overall,

                  That says to me they want to know (among other things) how many browser users make zero use of the AI feature. To acquire that info, they have to collect it. You have to assume the worst when you see phrasing like that.