Anarchism works with consent from people, nation states are built with consent from people. Problem is, various groups do not agree with each other. Like I said, good luck telling Chinese and Arizonan golfers to stop wasting water and pull their weight. I am sure they will stop because they care about the environment same as you and I. As I mentioned to another comment, you and I may agree, but other groups from afar don’t and don’t care because they have different values. Some believe in peace, others are war-like. This is anarchism already in action whether you admit it or not.
Sorry, which is it? Are nation states built by consent and therefore anarchistic and therefore anarchism works, or is it completely impractical at scale and has never worked? Make up your mind.
If you really think that any anarchist would accept that states are anarchistic then you’re just admitting you don’t know anything about it.
If you think states are built by consent, why? How? When did this happen? I don’t remember consenting, do you? What an incredible act of gaslighting.
And like… golfers? Really? Anarchism doesn’t work because golf exists? Those are rich people, propped up by the state. That’s nothing. That’s not an argument that makss any sense to me.
Again, you will have to tell me that you are curious to understand what I’m saying before I continue.
Anarchism and nation state are one and the same. People from each group organise their society however they see fit. Some believe on horizontal societies, others believe in hierarchy (the nation state). So, that is a conceptual framework of anarchism. Each groups organise their own community however they see fit. But, some groups are violent and expansionist. Do you think EZLN and Rojava are not under threat from their neighbours who believe in might makes right?
And like… golfers? Really? Anarchism doesn’t work because golf exists? Those are rich people, propped up by the state. That’s nothing. That’s not an argument that makss any sense to me.
Anarchism does not work, because some groups don’t share the same values. Some groups value material wealth and personal property. I am guessing you haven’t been to other places far from your own, or met other cultures from afar to observe that. Which is why organising locally to prevent climate change won’t work if others are not pulling their weight. It is a global problem that requires globally organised and coordinated solution. And the problem in and of itself is that some groups don’t care.
This is absurd. You’re talking in circles and not responding to my words, and you have completely ignored me asking if you’re actually curious to understand what I’m saying.
If you can’t even pretend to be curious to understand me, and in the absence of any evidence that you are, I see no point in continuing to talk to you.
You can change that and bring me back by being reponsive to what I’ve said, although I don’t hold out a lot of hope that you will.
Talk to others outside your culture. Heck, go abroad! You will realise how vast the gulf of difference the values of other cultures are. Too many people don’t care about the environment and want to live hedonistically. This is why anarchism doesn’t work in practice, because this is anarchism in practice. And this is why we are having the global problem called climate change (and global conflicts). Idealist anarchist such as yourself tend not to consider the reality that other people simply think too differently for idealised anarchism to work on a large scale.
That has nothing to do with what I just said. You might want to work on that “talking to other people” thing, because you’re bad at it, and I’m not sticking around for you to inflict more of it on me.
Right, good luck pontificating to Egyptians, Chinese, Koreans, Somalis, Congolese, and Greeks to recycle, stop sprinkling golf courses with too much water, stop being materialistic and embrace anarchism. We will see if they don’t get annoyed at you or look at you weirdly for doing it.
Anarchism works with consent from people, nation states are built with consent from people. Problem is, various groups do not agree with each other. Like I said, good luck telling Chinese and Arizonan golfers to stop wasting water and pull their weight. I am sure they will stop because they care about the environment same as you and I. As I mentioned to another comment, you and I may agree, but other groups from afar don’t and don’t care because they have different values. Some believe in peace, others are war-like. This is anarchism already in action whether you admit it or not.
Sorry, which is it? Are nation states built by consent and therefore anarchistic and therefore anarchism works, or is it completely impractical at scale and has never worked? Make up your mind.
If you really think that any anarchist would accept that states are anarchistic then you’re just admitting you don’t know anything about it.
If you think states are built by consent, why? How? When did this happen? I don’t remember consenting, do you? What an incredible act of gaslighting.
And like… golfers? Really? Anarchism doesn’t work because golf exists? Those are rich people, propped up by the state. That’s nothing. That’s not an argument that makss any sense to me.
Again, you will have to tell me that you are curious to understand what I’m saying before I continue.
Anarchism and nation state are one and the same. People from each group organise their society however they see fit. Some believe on horizontal societies, others believe in hierarchy (the nation state). So, that is a conceptual framework of anarchism. Each groups organise their own community however they see fit. But, some groups are violent and expansionist. Do you think EZLN and Rojava are not under threat from their neighbours who believe in might makes right?
Anarchism does not work, because some groups don’t share the same values. Some groups value material wealth and personal property. I am guessing you haven’t been to other places far from your own, or met other cultures from afar to observe that. Which is why organising locally to prevent climate change won’t work if others are not pulling their weight. It is a global problem that requires globally organised and coordinated solution. And the problem in and of itself is that some groups don’t care.
This is absurd. You’re talking in circles and not responding to my words, and you have completely ignored me asking if you’re actually curious to understand what I’m saying.
If you can’t even pretend to be curious to understand me, and in the absence of any evidence that you are, I see no point in continuing to talk to you.
You can change that and bring me back by being reponsive to what I’ve said, although I don’t hold out a lot of hope that you will.
Talk to others outside your culture. Heck, go abroad! You will realise how vast the gulf of difference the values of other cultures are. Too many people don’t care about the environment and want to live hedonistically. This is why anarchism doesn’t work in practice, because this is anarchism in practice. And this is why we are having the global problem called climate change (and global conflicts). Idealist anarchist such as yourself tend not to consider the reality that other people simply think too differently for idealised anarchism to work on a large scale.
That has nothing to do with what I just said. You might want to work on that “talking to other people” thing, because you’re bad at it, and I’m not sticking around for you to inflict more of it on me.
Agree to disagree but the way the world works at the moment is just how it is and the reality.
If you never bother to listen to anyone else then you’ll never learn anything.
Right, good luck pontificating to Egyptians, Chinese, Koreans, Somalis, Congolese, and Greeks to recycle, stop sprinkling golf courses with too much water, stop being materialistic and embrace anarchism. We will see if they don’t get annoyed at you or look at you weirdly for doing it.