Why are you posting irrelevant bullshit? We’re not talking about running a “third party” candidate. We’re talking about destroying the Democratic party and rebuilding it into something that isn’t traitorous and corrupt.
it’s time for the Democrats to go the way of the Whigs.
Sounds like you’re trying to dismiss my argument out of hand by associating me with the pro-fascist concern trolls and their useful idiots who did that in this previous election. You can fuck all the way off with that dishonest, ad-hominem bullshit.
There’s a huge fucking difference between abandoning a candidate in the middle of the election with fuck-all for alternatives, and trying to reform or replace the party with literally as much margin as possible before the next election. If now is not the right time to try to get shit done, when is? Tell me that, O Great Arbiter of Political Acceptability!
You need to quit your bullshit, and on top of that you owe me a goddamn apology.
You say splitting is a guaranteed benefit to the GOP, but I’d say that keeping the resistance neutered by being stuck behind “leadership” that’s ineffectual at best, or a traitorous quisling at worst, benefits the GOP even more.
Anyway, I’m not arguing for splitting the opposition. I’m arguing for supplanting it so thoroughly that the old guard (Schumer, Pelosi, et al.) finds it untenable to continue.
If that fails, it fails, and we crawl back and support the Democratic candidate as a last-ditch effort at harm reduction, just like before. But we’ve got to try, because otherwise Schumer is going to “collaborate” us straight into the gas chambers.
The problem with that approach is you do all the work for the GOP propaganda machine every time you argue against a democratic candidate.
So by the time your revolution fails, your campaign gets weaponized by the GOP. Everything negative you had to say about the democrat candidate is now being said by the GOP. And it’s super effective at convincing some democratic voters to stay home because it’s the same talking points used by their own party.
Instead of trying to discourage voters from choosing democrats, leftists should just say why voters should chose the leftist and accept the results when voters choose the moderate option.
So by the time your revolution fails, your campaign gets weaponized by the GOP. Everything negative you had to say about the democrat candidate is now being said by the GOP. And it’s super effective at convincing some democratic voters to stay home because it’s the same talking points used by their own party.
So, let me get this straight: leftists say “don’t vote for Schumer; he’s a fascist collaborator!” And then the fascists say “yeah, don’t vote for Schumer, he’s a fascist collaborator!” And then, according to you, that’s supposed to make Democrats stay home instead of voting for the candidate primarying Schumer from the left?
If you really think Democrats hate leftists so much that they’d refuse to vote for one even when the alternative is somebody both sides agree is fascist, then they’re basically lost to the enemy already and that’s just even more reason to break from them.
This logic of yours? Has it actually resulted in snowing or stopping fascism? Now it hasn’t. Maybe it’s time we try something different than what’s obviously not working
No.
It would guarentee more Republican wins
Why are you posting irrelevant bullshit? We’re not talking about running a “third party” candidate. We’re talking about destroying the Democratic party and rebuilding it into something that isn’t traitorous and corrupt.
it’s time for the Democrats to go the way of the Whigs.
Sounds like you’re warming up for the next election when you’ll be trying to convince people not to vote or vote 3rd party.
Sounds like you’re trying to dismiss my argument out of hand by associating me with the pro-fascist concern trolls and their useful idiots who did that in this previous election. You can fuck all the way off with that dishonest, ad-hominem bullshit.
There’s a huge fucking difference between abandoning a candidate in the middle of the election with fuck-all for alternatives, and trying to reform or replace the party with literally as much margin as possible before the next election. If now is not the right time to try to get shit done, when is? Tell me that, O Great Arbiter of Political Acceptability!
You need to quit your bullshit, and on top of that you owe me a goddamn apology.
Splitting the only opposition to the Republican Party during a coup is a guaranteed benefit to the GOP.
That’s what you are arguing for.
You want me to apologize for pointing out the cause and effect of what you’re asking for?
You say splitting is a guaranteed benefit to the GOP, but I’d say that keeping the resistance neutered by being stuck behind “leadership” that’s ineffectual at best, or a traitorous quisling at worst, benefits the GOP even more.
Anyway, I’m not arguing for splitting the opposition. I’m arguing for supplanting it so thoroughly that the old guard (Schumer, Pelosi, et al.) finds it untenable to continue.
If that fails, it fails, and we crawl back and support the Democratic candidate as a last-ditch effort at harm reduction, just like before. But we’ve got to try, because otherwise Schumer is going to “collaborate” us straight into the gas chambers.
The problem with that approach is you do all the work for the GOP propaganda machine every time you argue against a democratic candidate.
So by the time your revolution fails, your campaign gets weaponized by the GOP. Everything negative you had to say about the democrat candidate is now being said by the GOP. And it’s super effective at convincing some democratic voters to stay home because it’s the same talking points used by their own party.
Instead of trying to discourage voters from choosing democrats, leftists should just say why voters should chose the leftist and accept the results when voters choose the moderate option.
So, let me get this straight: leftists say “don’t vote for Schumer; he’s a fascist collaborator!” And then the fascists say “yeah, don’t vote for Schumer, he’s a fascist collaborator!” And then, according to you, that’s supposed to make Democrats stay home instead of voting for the candidate primarying Schumer from the left?
If you really think Democrats hate leftists so much that they’d refuse to vote for one even when the alternative is somebody both sides agree is fascist, then they’re basically lost to the enemy already and that’s just even more reason to break from them.
I won’t, and I won’t accept the results of voters choose gop candidates.
This logic of yours? Has it actually resulted in snowing or stopping fascism? Now it hasn’t. Maybe it’s time we try something different than what’s obviously not working
How would making it easier for fascism to win, help stop fascism? Your logic doesn’t make any sense.
More wins than they already won?
Of course