• TheTechnician27
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    18 days ago

    The article is here and can trivially be found in ~10 seconds (as another comment noted they don’t have it for context).

    JERUSALEM, May 21 (Reuters) - Western governments voiced outrage on Thursday after Israel’s far-right security minister posted a video of himself taunting Gaza-bound flotilla activists being pinned to the ground, with two ​later alleging they were physically assaulted in detention.

    Seems pretty cut-and-dry why they’re reporting this. And wow, wouldn’t you know it:

    I’m so shocked that this post omits context to craft a narrative. I can’t believe someone would manufacture consent like that.

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      18 days ago

      Gaza-bound flotilla activists being pinned to the ground, with two ​later alleging they were physically assaulted in detention.

      Not sure why you feel so smug about your post when your own paragraph states the torture.

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        18 days ago

        My own paragraph? You mean the very first one of the Reuters article being disingenuously shown but not linked here? I’m literally showing that Reuters covered this essentially immediately within the article about the mockery – and that there are others without the mockery as the focus.

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          18 days ago

          Yes it’s not in the title. Title’s are basically all that matters in the news because nobody reads articles. I’ll give Reuters some props though since they just released an article about the abuse of the activists and they’re basically the only ones which mention rape in the title.

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            17 days ago

            Title’s are basically all that matters in the news because nobody reads articles.

            Well I guess no wonder people have terrible reading comprehension…

            I’ll give Reuters some props

            I still don’t get what reuters has done wrong…

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              17 days ago

              Just imagine if the video actually was showing Uyghurs in China. Would the headline say:

              “Outrage grows after Chinese minister mocks Uyghurs”?

              Two things would change: firstly China would be held responsible. Not one single Chinese minister. Second it would contain the word torture and/or worse.

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                16 days ago

                “Outrage grows after Chinese minister mocks Uyghurs”?

                If a Chinese minister posted a video of himself mocking Uyghurs and that video generated outrage, that headline would be pretty reasonable, no?

                The specific news story referenced in this post is about minister Ben-Gvir posting a video where he mocks the detainees. The article says “Minister mocks detainees”. Please tell me what the ideal headline should be, I’m very curious.

                firstly China would be held responsible. Not one single Chinese minister. Second it would contain the word torture and/or worse.

                Ok, and you think that makes for a better headline?

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                  16 days ago

                  If a Chinese minister posted a video of himself mocking Uyghurs and that video generated outrage, that headline would be pretty reasonable, no?

                  No it would say “China” not “Chinese minister”. This isn’t some fringe thing the Israeli minister did on his own. It’s national policy under full responsibility of all of Israel.

                  France has quite literally used this logic put all the blame on one single person (who doesn’t care about France anyway) and take absolutely no real action against Israel. This is not an accident, this is intentional.

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                    This isn’t some fringe thing the Israeli minister did on his own. It’s national policy under full responsibility of all of Israel.

                    The article is about a video posted on twitter by Ben-Gvir. Of course he isn’t doing it on his own for personal fun, of course he is doing it on behalf of Israel, but the headline is still pretty reasonable.

                    But since you agree, please, I beg you to enlighten me. What should the headline be?

                    France has quite literally used this logic put all the blame on one single person (who doesn’t care about France anyway) and take absolutely no real action against Israel. This is not an accident, this is intentional.

                    Not just France, virtually every western country and Israel itself is doing that. That’s literally what the article you posted is reporting on:

                    Poland’s foreign minister called for Ben-Gvir to be banned from entering the country.

                    The U.S. ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, said Ben-Gvir had “betrayed (the) dignity of his nation”.

                    Netanyahu said Ben-Gvir’s conduct was “not in line with Israel’s values and norms”.

          • Gal
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            17 days ago

            Admitting to not reading articles when arguing about a topic is definitely one of the choices to make

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            17 days ago

            Reuters is where half the world copies their news from. If they’re saying it, it’s everywhere.

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        17 days ago

        Your post implies that reuters is downplaying or ignoring the abuse and that they are calling the abuse “mocking”. That’s not the case. The article is about a minister mocking the protesters for getting abused.

        In other words, the article’s title is absolutely correct.

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            This can’t really be answered categorically without the actual specific scenario occurring again but specifically with Uyghur Muslims in China and a Chinese official of similar rank and standing doing the same thing and publishing a video of it but even accepting that western media sources have double standards and biases I kind of think the answer to your question would be yes. I mean it’s just literally descriptive of what happened. A minister mocked the flotilla activists. The article is one of many about those that took part in the flotilla that were abused and tortured by the IDF and previous such flotillas and the general pattern of reporting has not favourable PR for Israel. Specifically even the claim of torture is something I was able to find within seconds in major sources like CNN. This particular event, within the context of existing negative press, focussed upon this specific outrage that happens to have sparked particular ire worldwide hence getting it’s whole own article separate and apart from the events of the flotilla and its interception.