• Bloomcole
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    No, there is no denying the difference, they are not the same.
    My comment is based on facts.

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        As I said, the vast number of drones/missiles vs the few civilian casualties they make.
        While ukros often bomb schools,hospitals and high rise buildings.
        But the western media doesn’t report that.
        Only last week they killed 21 kids in a student dormitory.
        And all the news here was crying about the reaction strikes from Russia the next day.

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          Civilian houses in Ukraine are hit every day. Here is a house in Konop from today, for example:

          The strike on the student dormitory sucks, but do you think Ukraine hasn’t gone through things like this? Here is a house in Dnipro from June 2 (15 deaths) for example:

          What makes you think that Ukraine does that on purpose, and Russia by accident?

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            The Dnipro attack was a direct response to the targeting of the student house I mentioned.
            656 long-range drones and 73 missiles were used.
            As I said that with that much firepower only one house as collateral damage is pretty impressive, and if that happens they are usually they are next to a military target, and not deliberately targeted. The ukros killed 8 people that day in a drone attack on a bus BTW.
            These targets can’t be justified, neither can the frequent buildings and schools hit in Russia or Donetsk and Luhansk in purely residential areas.

            And I suspect the next one is the nazi town of Konotop, not Konop.
            That name is well known to me.
            Meet the mayor of that cute town:

            They regularly have military there in civilian infrastructure which makes it a legitimate target.
            And then you get [these articles](Источник: https://fact-news.com.ua/en/tragedy-in-sumy-konotop-mayor-semenikhin-and-people-s-deputy-bezugla-publicly-accused-the-authorities-and-the-military-leadership-video/ ) about hitting civilians when even the article says: " the strike may have been triggered by a gathering of soldiers at a military awards ceremony in the city center"

            Exactly what they said about the ‘attack on civilian infrastructure’, a hotel.
            And 3days later they fire a guy for having top military gatherings too close too the front line.

            So your anecdotal collateral damage versus the systematic and deliberate attacks on civilians aren’t comparable in the least.
            Not even mentioning the insane attacks on a nuclear plant or dams. Immense war crimes.

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              As I said that with that much firepower only one house as collateral damage is pretty impressive,

              I didn’t say it was a single house. Most of the mentioned attack affected Kiev, there were a ton of casualties. One of the houses even got a strike for the second time while it was on fire. I can’t attach a video here, but pretty sure you can google this one.

              They regularly have military there in civilian infrastructure which makes it a legitimate target.

              I didn’t say this specific one was on purpose. I just showed an example of how often these things could happen. Both sides always say there was a military target, it’s just not practical media-wise to admit things like that.

              So your anecdotal collateral damage versus the systematic and deliberate attacks on civilians aren’t comparable in the least.

              I previously randomly picked recent attacks with a comparable number of targets.

              I’m also pretty sure Ukrainian citizen suffered much more just because of the pure fire potential and the fact that the conflict is happens mostly on Ukrainian territory. Last winter was especially horrible. Russia bombed electricity infrastructure and some people simply froze because of the lack of heating.

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                We can argue about it all day long.
                To me it’s very clear there is a difference.
                And the ukrainian civilians indeed suffered the most.
                But it’s also clear it’s mostly the ethnic Russians in the east and south.
                The Banderites made as much casualties there since the coup in 2014 as there are now from the whole conflict after 2022.
                Which is not surprising when their aim was to ethnically cleanse the population.
                As an objective witness looking at the facts all of this is obvious.
                War sucks and I feel sorry for civilian casualties from whatever side but I have been following this since long before 2014 so I am confident in my conclusions.

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                  To me it’s very clear there is a difference.

                  Every side will try to convince you that all casualties of the other side were on purpose and we all short go and help the country.

                  The Banderites made as much casualties there since the coup in 2014

                  Are you kidding? It’s not even close. And on top of that entire cities were destroyed, forcing citizens to leave.

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                    I am not every side since I am neutral.
                    Unlike Shitipedia, not even looking at that.
                    And duh cities get destroyed, yes it’s war.
                    The fighting and most of the damage is done in the east.
                    ukros don’t care about that since they hate them and by far most of those citizens have fled to Russia.