Renewables capacity needs to increase substantially and hydrogen and derivatives need an eight-fold increase to meet a Pathway to Net Zero (PNZ) by 2050, according to DNV’s Energy Transition Outlook 2023 report.

  • HypxOP
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    111 months ago

    If you are both a nerd and environmentalist, you’d also know people said the same thing about BEVs just a decade ago. You’re being closer to a Luddite than an actual nerd.

    • @manualoverride
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      111 months ago

      Any chance of you answering my actual question?

      • HypxOP
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        111 months ago

        If you must know, I am a fan of hydrogen. But the issue is that you are not asking in good faith. It’s mostly coming from the perspective of a closed-minded BEV fanatic who thinks only BEVs can exist in the future.

        • @manualoverride
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          You couldn’t be further from the truth, I have a 24 year old diesel and my partner a 20year old petrol car. Our low yearly mileage means the energy it would take to recycle our cars and create new ones is not worth the switch right now.

          As for the bad faith I just have a lot of knowledge about the current research into Hydrogen fuelled transport and while it may work for very large vehicles I don’t believe it’s practical or safe for cars in my lifetime.

          I also know there is a greenwashing effort going into “eFuels” made with Hydrogen.

          What is your main reason the prefer HEVs/FCEVs to BEVs?

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            The you must realize that BEVs carry too much of an upfront penalty to make sense. Clearly, you are sticking with ICE vehicles because of that.

            Millions of people will never be in a position to own one either. No matter what you think, you will have to accept the existence of hydrogen cars for those people.

            There is no real effort to push e-fuels or whatever as a way to maintain fossil fuels. It is way too expensive for that.

            In the end, FCEVs will as cheap to own as ICE cars, and just as practical. It’s pretty self evident that BEVs aren’t competitive against that.

            • @manualoverride
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              They do carry an upfront penalty, but offset that by being almost 100% recyclable. I can buy an 2nd hand electric car for less than I can sell my 24yr old truck, so they are cheap enough for most people now.

              As the ICE stock is replaced by BEVs we’ll get to majority EVs in the next 10ish years. If the Hydrogen Hulx could replace mine I might get one, but I couldn’t fuel It around here or at home, so it’s not practical when compared to a BEV.

              • HypxOP
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                111 months ago

                Hydrogen offers the same without the upfront penalty. You don’t have to worry about recycling either, which BTW is likely a very energy-intensive process.

                There will be a hydrogen refueling infrastructure everywhere soon. People simply aren’t aware how much progress is being made here.