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That QR code actually work by the way and site it sends you to reveals all the info that was blocked out
OPSEC FAILED SUCCESSFULLY
It now says it has exceeded its monthly scan limit, oh god what have you done 🤣
Imagine your “official” identification and method of reinforcing your citizen status to people running out of views.
Ok I’ll fix.
Nah
lol five hours later and it’s not fixed
9 hours in lol
It’s been 11 hours. OP is either dead, taking an extra long shit, or in a coma.
If your shits take 11 hours, please see a doctor.
Now now, Photoshop is hard. OP is just googling it.
This comment I’m responding to is currently 17hrs old. Think he’s coming back? 😂😂
Nope but it’s a sovereign citizen who doesn’t care anyways, remember they don’t exist.
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Yikes
If it expires in the year 9999, why would she get a second one just about 2 months later?
I love the way they think “without prejudice” are magic words and as such put them in the oddest places.
“I’ll have a burger and fries without prejudice. So nowi can pay you in wooden nickels, right?”
Fucking Lancaster. Checks out.
Meth, Amish, and the Klan. Oxford is like the result of some demented game of cosmic Mad Libs.
“… So everything will smell like cat pee and horse manure, and the farmers wear strawhats and grow dogs, and the primary religion is racism.”
To anyone wondering how you grow dogs: Amish puppy mills.
Lots true but you don’t have to say it.
No different than where I live, although it immediately brings to mind, I never see any buggies or horse or mule in the store parking lots, so how did they get there?! I doubt they walked, that would be a few days’ walk.
Amish people can hire people to drive them around. Amish contractors sometimes have their own trucks, and use them to interact with the English.
Alternate theory: they figured out teleporters and keep horses mostly to trick the English into thinking they have nothing worth colonizing them for, but also to keep their buddies in the buggy industry in business and because they like horses. Mostly that last one but the other two reasons are still important.
The horses are the ones that open up the interdimensional portals. Obviously.
Thank you!
So…she renounced her US citizenship?
Yes! They go on this crazy website called Copper Moonshine Distillers and they buy fake passports and “renounce” their citizenship.
Oh then the USPS delivers your new ID and bottle of moonshine right to your door? Government services are great!
Yes also they have a right to travel which means that they are allowed to use the roads which are paid for by public money. But they don’t have to contribute yes it all makes perfect sense.
The government should just come up with some kind of reservation for these idiots in Utah or something and they’re all arrested and dropped off in there, then we leave them to it. They are allowed to come back but they have to admit that they were wrong.
I hope people who see those IDs respond by asking why they are trying to do business with them, they don’t have an international treaty with them.
She might have tried, but it’s not easy or cheap to do so.
You have to prove your own nationality of another country and also pay your tax bill before the US Gov will let you expatriate. So for a few years you’ll end up paying double taxes to do it. Wherever you’re trying to gain nationality and taxes in the US.
https://www.goldinglawyers.com/how-to-expatriate/
From the article is pasted below
If a U.S. citizen seeks to renounce their citizenship without proving that they have citizenship in another country, they are referred to as “stateless” and may not be approved for expatriation.
Generally, the U.S. citizen will travel to a foreign consulate and submit Department of State forms 4079-4083. The U.S. citizen will also undergo an exit interview — and most consulates require that the U.S. citizen to return back to the consulate after the initial appearance for the second interview/meeting, either as a cooling-off period and/or an opportunity for the consulate officer to review the paperwork. Different consulates handle this process “differently” depending on which foreign country the expatriation takes place. At the end of the process, once the expatriate has been approved for expatriation, the citizen will receive a stamped form DS-4083, which is referred to as a certificate of loss of nationality.
No, you don’t. Most countries require you to have citizenship in another country before renouncing your citizenship. The US is not one of them. Americans have the right to make themselves stateless if they choose.
They will warn you that becoming stateless is a bad idea, but they won’t stop you. Per the state department’s website:
Persons who contemplate renunciation of U.S. nationality should be aware that they will experience a great deal of hardship unless they already possess a foreign nationality or are assured of acquiring another nationality shortly after completing their renunciation. In the absence of a second nationality, those individuals would become stateless. As stateless persons, they would not be entitled to the protection of any government. They might also find it difficult or impossible to travel as they would probably not be entitled to a passport from any country. Furthermore, a person who has renounced U.S. nationality will be required to apply for a visa to travel to the United States, just as other aliens do. If found ineligible for a visa, a renunciant could be barred from the United States. Renunciation of American nationality does not necessarily prevent a former national’s deportation from a foreign country to the United States as an alien.
Furthermore, a person who has renounced U.S. nationality will be required to apply for a visa to travel to the United States, just as other aliens do. If found ineligible for a visa, a renunciant could be barred from the United States.
But where would they deport you to? Antarctica? The ocean? The moon?
The airline doesn’t allow you onto the plane. The US doesn’t allow you off of the ship. And God help you if you think you’re getting through the Mexican border.
Ok but assuming you’re in the US to begin with. Do you get to stay for lack of a place to banish you to?
Maybe to the shadow realm? Maybe all this time those paranormal spooky ghosts sightings were not dead people but just stateless
Either direction!
A person who is a national of the United States whether, by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily…
making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state
You have to be outside the US to renounce. Deportation is not the US’s problem.
But yes, that’s one of the big issues of statelessness they can’t send you back anywhere.
Edit: second half the quote was not formatted as a quote. fixed
Interesting. I wonder what they would do with someone who renounced citizenship while outside of the US, but then somehow smuggled their way back in.
Guantanamo bay. Probably
Hell yeah, free moon ride!
If you don’t want to be considered stateless, also you need to pass your exit interview. Both require citizenship in another country
lol 9999, classic Rookie error, it will come to bite your ass when it is the year 10000
I doubt the world will make it far enough for that to matter.
Should have used ♾️ though.
I, as a non US user, don’t get this. What’s up with the ugly business cards with way too much info, that look like fake ID cards?
We call these sovereign citizens. They are a loosely connected group of conspiracy theorists who believe by invoking the correct legal terms, they can be covered by, but not behold to, the laws and regulations of the USA.
Sometimes it’s just someone who doesn’t want to pay taxes. Other times you get this, occasionally they do weird ass communes.
So… Like self proclaimed parasites huh?
The Wikipedia article on it wonderful.
They’re fake ID cards.
Germany has these nutjobs too. They sometimes turn violent and kill or harm state agents. They are called Reichsbürger, because they claim the German Reich, which ceased to exist in 1945, actually still exists and by invoking their magic spells you won’t have to pay parking tickets or taxes. They are often very close to Nazis and are all idiots and assholes.
because they claim the German Reich, which ceased to exist in 1945, actually still exists
They are often very close to Nazis and are all idiots and assholes.
I’m acting astonished
I expect they just get fines for not paying parking tickets and taxes though right?
State agencies are somehow not susceptible to their magic, so yes. They are treated as a fringe group that is becoming more dangerous, though.
See a lot from Australia too. They like to quote the US Constitution. The jokes write themselves.
I mean, if these suckers are just waving their wallets around looking for someone to make an object to codify their insane beliefs into a physical object to kake themselves feel more secure and proud… why is this any different to selling gold crucifixes?
Well, for one gold has intrinsic value (or at least some value in any other context.)
Those cards have value. You could use them to break up some cocaine and make lines or open a poorly secured locked door.
Yes, about the same value as any piece of scrap plastic.
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Why even have an expiration date if it’s set to year 9999.
It will still expire then, so it isn’t even valid at year 10000.
If it was blank, it would be less reassuring. And the whole point of the “document” is to make the recipient feel more comfortable. It includes all the magic words specific to this “secret trick” that means you don’t have to worry any more now that you paid us your money.
Until of course they try to actually use it for anything. Then it pretty immediately stops being comforting. They must have accidentally got one of the words wrong or something, so they order a new one that is slightly different because someone showed them that one and it for sure has all the right words on it and it will definitely work. You can relax again.
They really do seem to think saying the right words is like casting a spell on the federal government
Cargo cult
Remember Q? Yeah. Good times, good times.
The laminate is too small on the bottom one and it bothers me
- “non-citizen american national”
- Background is the flag used by the United States Government
- References US law multiple times
- “Nationality: … The United States of America”
Aren’t they lovably crazy?
“While the sovereign citizen movement was originally associated with white supremacism and antisemitism, it now attracts people of various ethnicities, including a significant number of African Americans. The latter sometimes belong to self-declared Moorish sects.”
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/moorish-sovereign-citizens
Yes I’m in a Moorish sovcit group actually and take some posts from them. They’re mostly less loudly crazy than the white ones in my opinion, mostly speak in gibberish that doesn’t translate well to Lemmy. I am not sure they’re any saner, just they speak in a weird fashion. I’ll post the Moorish sovcit passport later on.
I love that it includes information the real car that doesn’t have. Like fields for hair and eye color, you know in case the image is just too hard to look at. And an expiry date, if your card expires thousands of years in the future you probably don’t need to keep track of it.
Also it’s a solvent citizen why does the card expire at all?
Also what’s with the really long random ID number. That’s definitely not legitimate.
Also what’s with the really long random ID number.
It looks like a [Year][month][day] timestamp of when the card was made plus some more random seeming numbers at the end. Maybe just random, maybe number of milliseconds since midnight, up to 86,400,000 (2:21am? is that the kind of time someone makes their own ID cards?)
That’s definitely not legitimate.
nothing about this is remotely legitimate lol
Hair and eye color are included on real driver’s licenses.
It’s possible that the ID number is the one she got from filing the UCC-1. I used to work for my state’s Department of State where we would put the UCC-1 forms that were submitted on file and issue a file number that was similar to her ID. The main significance of that number was that the UCC was filled. Of course, our office would reject any UCC filings if they were obviously a sovereign citizen (and sovereign citizens are usually not subtle), but some states don’t do that.
Don’t you know, the longer the ID number the more seriously the government has to take it
@bonesofthemoon do you have personal experience with sovereign citizens?
Not that I’m aware of. I got interested them via Mark Pitcavage the ADL researcher who has an interesting Twitter and shares lots of stuff about them, so I joined a bunch of their Facebook groups out of curiosity and now they’re my regular source of entertainment. I have a general interest in right wing extremists, mostly I do stuff with white supremacists, but this is a funny side interest.
Nice. It’s interesting stuff, thanks for posting.
It sure is a wild underground of crazy!
The person who made this is either brilliant or insane.
The person who is selling it is brilliant, the person buying it is insane.
The latter.
