• @Zachariah
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    But this way third parties can get their cut.

    • andrew
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      Taxes have that feature too, sadly. No system is perfect.

      • @[email protected]
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        Well, I guess it is fair for someone that manages those resources full time to get their payment for their management labour from those pool of resources no? The implementation is what must be very strictly looked out for and be as transparent as possible. It is why we have created a country along with its governmental system. Now, whether ANY currently implemented system is perfect or not is another debate.

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        • @aidan
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          We individually aren’t, in theory the majority on any issue is.

            • @aidan
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              I’d prefer people making decisions for themselves as much as possible.

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                agreed. rich heir assholes shouldnt make decisions pertaining to our work and future, we should.

                • @aidan
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                  Agreed, but there is no we. You shouldn’t make decisions for me either.

    • @sudo42
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      Every new business model now is just insinuating themselves into an existing structure so they can grift/leech money out for themselves. They call it “innovation “.

    • @affiliate
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      they finally found a way to add a built in service fee to taxes. i just hope this new model is compatible with turbo tax premium

  • @[email protected]
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    Neighbors helping neighbors? A collective group pooling resources in order to get social benefits? Community organizations? This all smells like dirty communism.

        • @ours
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          Home Owner Association

      • @aidan
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        Sadly people like to tell other people what to do

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        • Flying SquidOP
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          Curse those fascist African villages where children are raised by the community!

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            • Flying SquidOP
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              Yes, that is what is happening in those African villages right now. They’re selling all of their children into slavery.

              It’s just the sort of thing Africans do, am I right?

    • HobbitFoot
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      HOA’s reinvented municipal government in a way that let them be racist again.

      • @Omgpwnies
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        and keep the taxes too

          • TWeaK
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            Nah they do have some valid purpose, eg communal roads and facilities - at least in a country where the state refuses to adopt basic infrustructure for new housing developments.

            • HobbitFoot
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              11 month ago

              Of the state refuses to adopt basic infrastructure. If the state did, then they would have to make it open to everyone.

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                Sure, but what’s wrong with that? I mean, roads are already open to everyone - your mailman can access them, visitors can access them, etc. If you extend it to ponds and parks and stuff, it wouldn’t be the end of the world for those to be public, either.

                Maybe with pools and such it’s a different story, but there are ways of managing those without setting up a mini government rife for abuse.

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                  I mean, roads are already open to everyone - your mailman can access them, visitors can access them, etc.

                  That is not the case for all HOA’s. For some, they have gated communities. For others, they are more than willing to enforce private property rights on people who don’t meet the “character” of the community.

                  If you extend it to ponds and parks and stuff, it wouldn’t be the end of the world for those to be public, either.

                  Sure it would. The wrong people might use it. After all, they aren’t building these amenities for everyone to use, just residents who either own property or are leasing property in a way that is approved by the HOA.

  • @[email protected]
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    Sure, but this time they can be sure their money goes to themselves instead of those pesky vulnerable sections of society.

    • @[email protected]
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      This is the correct answer. I’m sure Repubs are somewhat willing to contribute to improving a group as long as they personally benefit from every contribution.

      • Flying SquidOP
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        That’s the whole idea behind “philanthropic foundations.” Rich people benefit from “charity” by getting huge tax write-offs.

        And then the government decides that society can depend on those charities rather than any sort of social safety net.

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          They get a huge tax write-off but they are still giving up at least the same money aren’t they? The issue is rather that these foundations may benefit them in another way, for example by providing a salary to their family and friends, if I understand that correctly.

          • @[email protected]
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            Exactly. A portion of the money is funnelled back to them. Social events for networking become tax write offs when they add a “Help the kids” box out front.

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            Not necessarily. There are a lot of scams involving charity. Here’s a small, ad-hoc made-up example to illustrate:

            • Buy cheap artwork from obscure artist for $500
            • Wait a while
            • Buy an expert expertise that says your art is super revolutionary and worth $5.000.000
            • Donate that super important piece of art to some charity or museum or whatever
            • Write off $5.000.000 in taxes
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              Is it really possible to write off based on estimated art value rather than initial price?

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        That is the unironic basis of my “enlightened centrists” friends beliefs. He doesn’t want the poor people he sees on TV and at the bus stop to benefit from his money. Nevermind that he received a free education and has all the benefits of living in a first world country. Only if he himselfs would benefit from a measure (e.g. fixing the streets in front of his house) would he be in favour of spending tax money.

      • @force
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        I’m not so sure considering the bizarre reality that many people on welfare also think people who take government aid are lazy and we should abolish welfare

        • Promethiel
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          Those folks live amongst the rest of the poor undesirables silly. They don’t live in the privileged communities that would turn on them as the next ‘Them’.

  • @dejected_warp_core
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    This is basically just as opaque as a charity or HOA, with different steps. Which is great unless your community is poor.

    My contention with this concept is that with taxes, I can vote for people that manage both the money gathering rules and how it is spent. That and the money typically works in a much larger pool spread across a wide range of socioeconomic groups, which can vastly improve its reach and capability. On top of all that, it’s also transparent. My guess is this has no such features.

    • @Potatos_are_not_friends
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      I lived and worked in a lot of poor communities and neighborhoods.

      We have to organize our own clean ups, our own neighborhood watch, our own events.

      Richer neighborhoods get a lot more resources from the city.

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        Right, that’s the whole point of HOAs. They do all the same shit local government does, but without needing to share with the poors. They should be illegal.

        • @trxxruraxvr
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          Where I love HOAs are mostly for sharing maintenance and insurance costs of the houses, they don’t take over any responsibilities from the local government.

            • @trxxruraxvr
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              No, they negotiate a bulk price with with contractors and pay them.

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                Ah, we just have co-ops for that. Though sometimes they aren’t actually that great at getting good deals for smaller stuff. It would kind of suck to be required to use the co-op.

    • @ripcord
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      I was watching a thing not too long ago where a dude was praising the “safety net” of home and health insurance and almost in the next breath complaining how socialized medicine was a scam and welfare

      I was like “MF you JUST said you wanted a group safety net”

      • TheHarpyEagle
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        But they unironically would rather spend more on insurance than risk having any of their money go to the poors.

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          • @frunch
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            Could you elaborate?

            • Flying SquidOP
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              He’s one of those silly people who think that you have to treat the poor with cruelty, otherwise they will have no incentive to work.

              Buying into Reagan’s ‘welfare queen’ myth.

      • Flying SquidOP
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        They want a group safety net for the in-group they are a part of.

  • @jg1i
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    First I thought this was dumb, but actually… It doesn’t seem like taxes really get distributed to everyone. I live in a poor neighborhood and our streets are all jacked up, but somehow the rich neighborhoods always have nice streets. Am I paying taxes so the rich people get nicer streets? How do I get the city to fix our roads too?

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      our streets are all jacked up

      Not that it’ll really help your situation, but you should look into whether or not your state’s Department of Transportation (DOT) has some sort of reporting tool online.

      Mine does, and I’ve used it to report several issues, including several potholes on my neighborhood road. The potholes were filled within a week after I reported it.

      • @RGB3x3
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        But the takeaway is not to get rid of taxes. The solution is to properly distribute tax funds across all areas, rather than funnel money to the top.

        We don’t have enough systems in place to prevent the rich from taking more than their fair share.

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          We don’t have enough systems in place to prevent the rich from taking more than their fair share.

          If we did, there would be no billionaires.

    • @[email protected]
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      But I don’t think this startup would help. The poor neighborhoods would still have less to invest. Privatizing taxes would just make the poorer neighborhoods worse and the richer neighborhoods nicer.

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        It depends. Yes, poor neighborhoods pay less taxes, and rich pay more taxes. But the imbalance in expenses may be even bigger, because of the way priorities work.

        It’s the same as minority representation in democracies (and the reason Soviet system, not the real one, but the theoretical one, is bad), when representatives are chosen by voting, the minority has fewer chances of being represented than if sortition (randomization) is used.

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          Ah yes, the tyranny of democracy. It’s all good until the majority takes away your voice by sheer numbers.

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            It’s rather that 80% of votes press their point in much more than 80% of cases. Which even feels unjust.

            Money is like votes in this case.

    • I Cast Fist
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      Am I paying taxes so the rich people get nicer streets?

      Yes, unironically.

      How do I get the city to fix our roads too?

      By being rich, or having rich friends, or managing to gather a lot of people (50+) at the front of your politicians’ offices (or their homes for extra effect) and make the demand

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      • @[email protected]
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        I’d argue the poor pay a vastly higher percentage of their income on taxes, but I like to include all taxes in that figure, not just income tax.

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      • @[email protected]
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        Yeah, but where do the rich people get more money from than the poor? And I don’t mean middle-class doctor/lawyer “rich”, I mean CEO-of-15-companies rich.

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  • @EdibleFriend
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    Yes we’ve had taxes but what about second taxes

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      but this is voluntary! said the rich guy while frantically masturbating

    • Flying SquidOP
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      There are a lot of Israeli companies operating in America…

      • @[email protected]
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        Okay fair. There’s a non-zero chance the money won’t be used to bomb schools in middle east

    • @[email protected]
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      Like you do it for mutu bux that can be redeemed in the local swag shop for things like seeds (good for 1 growing season) and good-feels (license to make a pop-up community garden in the square (garden for display purposes only))

    • Flying SquidOP
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      Welcome to A Boring Dystopia. First time?

  • @RememberTheApollo_
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    Yeah, but these “taxes” get used on their stuff, and none of those other people get any of that money.

    • Flying SquidOP
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      I don’t think anyone here does not understand the difference between compulsory taxes and this nonsense which won’t work specifically because you don’t have to put money into it. It’s a libertarian’s idea of taxation.

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      This is intentional. Many people refuse to notice the aspect of having a choice on all issues.

      “It’s good for everyone” or “it’s bad for everyone”, which conveniently removes others’ personal borders and also the responsibility.

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    Why does a startup let people do this? Were people not able to do this before and now with a start up suddenly they can? How much does the start up get?

  • @ThePyroPython
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    No, tech bros discover co-operative banking.

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      yeah came here to say it seems more like bank or building societies.