I used to work for a call center that had an automated call out system, so you didn’t have to talk to anyone or give a specific excuse. However, at some point management instituted a policy requiring supervisors to call their employees to “check in on their wellbeing.” I don’t even have to be cynical to know the real purpose because I was in the meetings where they talked about it as a tactic to reduce absenteeism.
Surely you didn’t have to answer, if your policy is “do X to call in sick”. You’re just putting your phone to silent to rest.
That would be my response, but a lot of people can be guilt tripped into coming in to work anyway.
Jokes on them, I stopped being vulnerable to guilt tripping at 17. I guess my alcoholic abusive mother was good for something after all.
I’m glad I was able to intervene when an employee just didn’t show up for a few days, couldn’t get ahold of him. My manager (a good guy) asked me if I thought we should call the cops for a wellness check, I told him we couldn’t call the cops on a disabled black guy.
Not sure what went down with him but he ended up calling in and he was okay. He either quit shortly after or never came back, I don’t remember. Last I heard he was pursuing his passion teaching skiing to kids with cancer and disabilities. Cool dude.
Yeah my first thought seeing this was “oh that person is gonna get killed if they send the cops”. Glad you had some smarts there. There have been multiple indigenous people killed in wellness checks in Canada as well in recent weeks.
The line between dystopic memes and Black Mirror is getting hella blurry :|
It’s just cool to imagine a social media tool that’s monetized SWATing.
you can tell the difference. if it has good writing, it’s more likely to be a meme.
I’m at home with ruptured vaginal cyst. Dare you to try this.
Are there even women on Lemmy?
Well im a women and im on Lemmy, so yes
fuck off back to 2010 reddit
You are a broken person.
This is fake!
If it was real, the “Nevermind” button would be a “Maybe later” button instead…
“Ask me again in 4 minutes”
I once had my employer perform a wellness check when I was having a mental health episode.
I was working remotely, but my mental health was in the toilet. I had a candid conversation with my supervisor where I told him I needed some time off because I had been feeling suicidal. He was an absolute bro, told me I was doing a good job, and that I earned some time off. He agreed that our conditions and the demands from management were absurd. He tells me to just take some time, and he’ll clear the way with HR.
Well, I’m logging off my computer when I get a call from his boss. He’s asking why I’m suddenly taking some time off. I tell him that I haven’t been feeling well, but he keeps badgering me for a specific reason. I tell him that I’m very vulnerable and don’t want to disclose a reason. That’s between me and my doctor.
Well he keeps pressing and he tells me that, “sharing our vulnerabilities is what fosters trust.” So I’m like fine, you really want to know, this job and your management style are making me suicidal.
Tone immediately shifts. He’s going into full damage control cover-your-ass mode. He tells me that I should consider a different career if I’m not up to the task. I’m already having like the worst day of my life (so far) and I start to have a panic attack.
I tell him you know what, it’s not his business and I’m going to call my doctor. Before I can get on the phone with my doctor, HR is calling me. They tell me they have to get hold of my emergency contact to make sure I’m not currently killing myself. I tell them my emergency contact is out of town (unrelated), so they say they have to call the police. I ask her not to, there’s no risk to myself and things have been taken out of context. HR insists that it’s company policy.
So while I’m hyperventilating because my boss pressed me for more details than I was comfortable sharing about my health, they sent a man with a gun to my house to check on me.
I understand that the company is protecting its liability or whatever. But I really felt that my rights had been violated somehow. The police are not suitable to intervene in a mental health episode. I had a new fear that I wouldn’t be able to calm down when the police arrived and I’d end up shot or something.
TLDR - I know this post is fake, but companies really do feel like they own their employees. A wellness check from your employer is absolutely bullshit, but that won’t stop them from trying.
Jesus fucking christ, I have nothing to add other than I’m so sorry you went through that.
sharing our vulnerabilities is what fosters trust
Other way around bruh
Sharing trust is what fosters our vulnerabilities?
trust is what fosters sharing our vulnerabilities
Exactly.
Oh.
I understand that the company is protecting its liability or whatever.
The company can do that by training your boss not to ask questions related to your health.
Life gets a lot easier when you realize you don’t have to answer questions that you don’t want to, and “No” is a complete sentence. Not berating you, just letting you know that you didn’t have to fall for their pressure tactics. Just keep not answering their questions until they give up.
I hope you’re doing better these days.
Yeah there’s absolutely this feedback loop conditioning where nobody tells us this. And even if we know it, actually putting it into practice is such a mountain.
I’m vehemently anti-authoritarian, but damn if the “yield to authority” conditioning isn’t shock-collaring me every time some douche in a suit wants to talk to me like I’m a child in trouble.
I learned at a real young age to never tell anyone you feel suicidal unless you want to end up “involuntarily committed”. Won’t even bring up my depression unless I’m around a real friend.
Same. I did have a therapist a few years ago that I told some real bad shit to, but that was after a couple of years of building trust; I was still scared of getting a pair of grippy socks. I went to see them because of a… let’s go with a ‘stopped suicide attempt’. Stroke at a young age, fiancé left me, no hope, career goals shattered, physically fucked, financially ruined, etc so rock bottom was looking down at me like ‘damn bro I’m sorry’.
A few close friends know things that others don’t, shit I’m not about to spill here. But it’s because they either have been in a similar situation and we have worked to keep each other alive and going, or they have degrees in the field of mental health and don’t mind trying to keep my head above water, or they are my (ex, current, etc) partner.
There’s no fucking way I’m going to just casually be like “you ever just want to go to the roof, get right on the ledge, shoot yourself - and in case that doesn’t take you out, the concrete walkway at the foot of the 20 story fall will finish the job? No? Just me then? Ha, funny. I hate life. Haha.”
Same.
Perfect solution to feeling like life has no worth except making profits for billionaires is obviously to forcibly lock them up in a hospital for a week and stick them with a $20k bill. That’ll fix all that depression. /s
It’s not just a hospital too by the way. It was a murder short of feeling like I was in the asylum from outlast. Wailing, fighting, screaming and all other sorts of antisocial behavior, with the staff barely in control. At the least that was how it felt and being committed to that place beyond just preventing my possible suicide in the short term became a lasting traumatic experience.
That is fucked up. I’m sorry you had to go through that. I hope you have found a better company to work for.
Thanks for the kind words, friend.
I know this is a comedy community and I’m not trying to be a bring down. But I also think it’s important to talk about this kind of thing because, well, it’s the kind of thing that corporate america would want to sweep under the rug. We need to normalize talking about mental health because it’s yet another public health crisis that doesn’t get enough attention.
I’m out of that dumpster fire now, but I’m still looking for my dream job.
Every large company I’ve worked for (since the mid 90’s) never swept this stuff under the rug - quite the opposite, actually. I’ve seen people with all sorts of issues being accommodated.
Practically every team I’ve been on had at least one person with some kind of issue. We all knew, and adjusted. Once in a while you get an asshole teammate or manager…those quickly get a reputation and people avoid working with them.
Companies are painfully aware of risk.
Holy fuck. That is beyond the pale, and I’m sorry you had to go through that. Chills thinking how wrong that could go.
Damn shitty company, hope your doing better.
Shit, I’d be calling a lawyer just to put a scare into that boss. Fucking douchebag.
“I’m not well today, I can’t work, that’s all you fucking need to know”.
I’ve never had a boss even ask why. Frankly, he should know better…what he doesn’t know he can’t be liable for. Dumbass. Plus who has the time to worry about why? Does it change anything? No.
Pretty sure you have clear grounds for a lawsuit on that one. I feel like you’d easily win compensation. (This is my guess. Obviously consult a lawyer ha)
For future reference though, just keep things high level and say it’s a mental health concern. Or even just a general health issue. NEVER disclose that much information to an employer again.
But yeah, you should totally file a lawsuit.
As someone who was very mentally fragile years ago, it’s very easy to say “just don’t engage, hang up the phone”. But, when someone is verbally beating you down, it can slip your mind under the pressure.
OP said they were keeping it high-level but their over-boss kept pressing for specifics. I don’t think they need a reference guide in this instance.
Yeah, not to mention the anxiety of “If I don’t satisfy them with some answer now, they’re gonna drag me into a ‘little talk for a moment’ later that’ll feel like an interrogation.”
I think we really need workshops on training and resilience on how to talk to bosses and not break under pressure.
Lord knows these sociopaths have plenty of “management training” on how to coerce, intimidate, and interrogate employees!
That’s why you practice this stuff. It’s the only way to make sure you won’t slip under pressure.
It’s what I had to do - just make it a natural response. “I’m not well, I won’t be in”. Just keep repeating it, regardless of how many times you’re asked why.
Yea for sure. That’s why I’m saying he/she should file a lawsuit. That’s completely inappropriate
Nice joke until reality comes along: https://winfuture.de/news,145540.html
German article translates to:
The Tesla plant in Grünheide had to accept a record number of sick days, at least in August: Around 17 percent of the 12,000 employees were affected. At the beginning of September, the figure had fallen to around 11 percent, according to a report in the Handelsblatt newspaper. However, this is still comparatively high.
As a result, the plant management had begun to visit employees on sick leave at home and check on them. Head of HR Erik Demmler was surprised that he was sometimes met with an aggressive attitude, as he explained to Handelsblatt. It had happened that the door had simply been slammed in his face. There were even instances of people threatening to call the police.
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
…and I am sure that these managers are going to have fun with a bombardment of lawsuits soon
Yeah. That kind of behavior is super inappropriate and doesn’t sound legal in Germany.
There’s no law against visiting someone, even if you’re their boss and they are sick.
Highly inappropriate, but not illegal IMHO.
Please tell me this is a joke. I legitimately don’t know if it is or isn’t.
It is a joke, lol
This guy makes these terrible concepts for apps and stuff:
Not gona lie, I do like the speed limit leaderboard. Though I would see people trying to get the “high score” on something like this.
This was a huge issue with the automated speed signs around where I live. They had to take them down because of it and reprogram them to stop showing the speed and instead flash the speed limit when people were speeding.
Nobody beats my high scores. Nobody.
E: actually, some trivia. You have seen those “your speed” signs with an led readout? Now I can’t say how I know this, but - at least on some variants, models, etc - there is an upper limit/safety check. “if user’s speed variable is higher than X, turn off the sign, it’s malfunctioning” logic. So, just for a hypothetical situation, the assigned speed limit is 25mph but you go through at, I don’t know, let’s pick a number that is absolutely not what I tested, and say 60. The readout will reach that number as the user accelerates towards it, hit the upper limit, immediately shutoff, and will (afaik) need to be reset manually. Returning hours later reveals a dead readout. Returning a couple days later, oh hey it’s back.
So we already have this, but it’d be nice to get scores higher than like ~40 over. And history, sharing…
“Go for the high score” is definitely a thought that crosses my mind every time I see one of those speed radar things the police sometimes put on the side of the road that flashes your speed at you. Kinda feel like those things actually encourage unsafe driving because of people like me with impulse control issues.
Does Lemmy have a “hostile UI” community?
I mean, it’s a joke, but many of his ideas are also libertarian wet dreams
Definity a fake post. The small text says the cost of the check deducted from the employee’s payroll.
meanwhile useless incompetent middle managers across america are seeing the post and salivating while furiously looking for where to sign up for the service
Tesla might get in some serious trouble in Germany for allegedly doing this to sick employees.
“cost deducted from employee’s payroll” is the most realistic part, IMHO. I worry this joke will give someone ideas IRL. And that part is how they will sell it to CEOs.
That part is currently illegal even in the US. So, baking it into an app would be a bad idea. Most of the time companies do illegal things, they try to be less explicit.
Currently.
Probably the only reason it’s not written into Project 2025 is that they didn’t think of it
Honestly, based on the stories of what’s happening in America. That’s not a reliable indicator.
Yup, good eye - we’re at least two election cycles away from that being plausible.
Yeah not holding my breath that my assumptions on what’s reasonable in American work culture will last forever.
At least I can tell you that it does not work in my country, where bosses and authorities cannot decide whether or not you are sick, only doctors can.
It’s amazing how low on the ladder American doctors’ opinions are!
Far below politicians, bosses, and most of all insurance companies, who, as we all know, possess way more hands on medical training. (is /s even needed!? Lol)
Opinions, LOL, yes, the sacred thing for all Usamericans.
Here it is a doctor’s statement, legally binding.
I could 100% say this is a possibility in america. ( Except the “we’ll bring her to office” part lol )
knock knock Pinkertons, open up
“Better come heavily armed and send bachelors.”
They definitely won’t bring you to your work.
They will happily do a magic thing where they turn your house into swiss cheese tho
this is funny and reminds me that when you call in sick
just say you are calling in sick, don’t give any reasons. Fuck them they don’t need to know why
sometimes mental health days where you just chill and do shit you want to do is a perfectly good sick day
Mental health is health. Take the sick day.
Hah. Hah.
Our sick days / PTO were the same pool. Flu or family trip, you still only got “one week’s worth of hours” off per year.
This was part time, but still insane.
I had that for two years at my current job. Full time as an engineer with that shit. One year I got a vacation, the next I got covid. These days I’ve got a bit more and we have separate sick time which is very nice
100%
I’ve never had a boss EVER that pressed me for information on why I took off sick. That’s completely inappropriate for them to ask.
Every single employer I had until I was past 30 pressed for reasons when I called in sick. Some required doctor’s notes. Granted, I’m middle aged and lived in a shitty conservative town where employers constantly broke the law and violated employee rights.
Screw those employers. Whenever they send one of their employees in to me to get a note, I give them way more off than they’d normally take.
You got a cold? The first 5 days suck the most and you’re most contagious during those days, so have 5 days off work. Oh, you only wanted today off and were considering going back tomorrow if you were feeling better? Sucks for your boss, I guess. My medical opinion is based on the disease, not your employee’s self-assessment.
Doctors being bros.
Say you’re shitting your brains out and the only thing coming to work will accomplish is a line for the bathroom and possibly more people shitting their brains out
Hahahaha, I love it
My employer generally sucks, but one of the few things they do right is give us no-questions-asked PTO. Nobody cares if we take a day, it’s part of our compensation.
Standing too close to occurring in the near future to qualify as funny.
im too sick to answer the door, come back another day
