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Summary
Donald Trump plans to discuss potentially ending childhood vaccination programs with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., his nominee for Health and Human Services.
Trump expressed openness to revisiting vaccine policies, citing concerns about autism rates, despite scientific consensus debunking links between vaccines and autism.
Critics warn reducing vaccinations could lead to outbreaks of preventable diseases like measles.
Kennedy, known for questioning vaccine safety, would oversee the CDC if confirmed.
Public health experts remain concerned about the implications.
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If vaccine requirements go away, this is bad
If vaccines become illegal or prohibitively expensive, this is a disaster
Make infanticide numbers great again
Holy shit, is this for real?
It’s been anticipated throughout the campaign, but kind of got overshadowed by all the other horrible stuff about Trump. RFK Jr. is the biggest anti-vaxxer in the world. Trump ran with him openly to get his cult on his side. This is the obvious result.
I hope at least a sizeable chunk of Trump voters regret voting for him. It breaks my heart to know that there are legitimately people who have paid attention to all his lies and already broken promises and still want the guy to lead the country. I don’t know how to salvage someone like that.
You have to age them out there’s no other way, their brains are rot.
I researched this exact question. There is a way called deep canvasing https://www.vice.com/en/article/how-to-change-a-voters-mind-is-deep-canvassing/
It’s scientifically proven. Try having a one on one conversation with someone. Listen to what they say and respond with empathy. Then gradually and calmly introduce your message that is related to what they said. For example if the person you are talking to said they are worried about grocery prices and specifically egg prices you could mention that bird flu was the root cause of the price increase and that Trump’s tariffs will raise prices on groceries. Building trust helps your message get across. I’ve had personal conversations with Trump supporters who trust me and you’d be surprised how much success you can have.
Wow! Thanks for the link. You’ve brightened my evening a bit.
This is correct, I use this method a lot in my work with the disabled. Often with clients that struggle with mental health, it’s important to redirect negative thoughts and feelings, but you have to do this without jumping to condescending or infantilising language.
The easiest way is to empathize with <negative thought or feeling> acknowledging it as worthy of the space it’s taking up and offering up something related that I might worry about. Then redirect with a similar subject, but framed in a way that gives more power over it. Maybe a news article that pointed out how <related thing> is being solved by someone, or overcome, or even simply made fun of.
If you can laugh at something for being ridiculous it has less power.
You don’t need to change their belief in <negative thought or feeling> you just need to redirect it and reframe it, they will then have a different mental relationship with it later, and over time change.
it’s important to redirect negative thoughts and feelings, but you have to do this without jumping to condescending or infantilising language.
So much this! I used to be a Trump supporter myself and I’ve made some people angry because of my previous political views. I got yelled at for what I said. Even though in hindsight their reaction was somewhat justified all that did was reinforce my views and dig a deeper hole.
You can’t. They are lost causes who simply can’t be trusted to make the right choice for themselves or the rest of the country.
Anybody with half a brain can see the collapse of the U.S. coming from a mile away based on what’s happening right now. Our institutions are at an all-time low in trust, all bcz of this orange dickhead, and Russian/Chinese disinformation campaigns.
And I swear you guys are going to take us down with you (as a Canadian). The Trump “jokes” about annexing Canada are really starting to get to me.
So much for being good trading partners and friendly neighbours I guess
Edit: this isn’t really directed at you in particular, it’s just that as Canadians we didn’t even get a say in this but somehow you voted overwhelmingly for him again and now he’s threatening to invade us before he even takes office. I’m fucking tired man (and a little drunk)
all bcz of this orange dickhead, and Russian/Chinese disinformation campaigns.
I mean yeah. But also because Americans are profoundly stupid. No excuses. As a whole, we’re stupid as fuck.
Politicians do not benefit from an educated populace.
Our schools have been under attack by the usual shitheads ever since we won to get them integrated.
Smart comfortable people don’t obey. Uneducated, poor people with two jobs and three kids don’t have any energy left over to crack a book and be disruptive.
You mean that?
We elected TFG… twice. Humanity is doomed
What’s this “we?” I take zero responsibility for the election of that idiot. I tried as hard as I could to get everyone I know to not vote for him.
Eh. It’s “we” whether you like it or not, unfortunately.
Do we really differentiate between the good and bad Germans in Nazi Germany? Not really. History paints with broad strokes. In the future we’re all going to look like the bad guys, whether we fought back or not. It’s a shameful time to be an American.
What? There are quite a few Germans who rebelled against against the Nazis and are recognized for it.
TFG
That Fucking Goon?
“The Former Guy”, refers to Trump.
“trump to discuss bringing back ever terrible disease we got rid of or mitigated in the 1900s with RFK Jr.”
We’re gonna party like it’s 1899
Covid was just a warmup
Okay, idiot republicunts. You happy now? Not only are eggs going to be MORE expensive because of bullshit tariffs, but your kids are going to die from measles and shit. Way to go, cunts.
As long as the liberals kids die too they’re fine with it.
I feel bad saying this, but part of me wonders if this is what they need. A real wake up call, a real understanding a real view of how bad a country can get if you throwaway the guardrails in place that was there to keep the very government in check and allow them to outright eat the poor to supplement the rich.
I just hope it doesn’t destroy the country before they realise what’s taken from them.
a real understanding a real view of how bad a country can get
How many people died from Covid from refusing to wear masks and refusing to get vaxed during Trump? Then Trump claimed credit for getting the vaccine made.
Yet here we are.
I have a deep yearning for this to happen. But logically I find it far more likely that they’ll just blame anything going wrong on Biden and Obama initiatives.
With the Supreme Court in play, They might just start locking up people for criticizing the government. It’ll be fake news soup to nuts
They won’t know about it until it personally affects them, then they’ll play the victim card.
No, then it will simply be democrats fault, or immigrants
As is tradition!
Not their kids, they can afford the vaccines at list price. It’s the poors who will die, as Supply Side Jesus intended.
Doesn’t matter if enough people aren’t vaxed for herd immunity
All those hillbilly fuckbrains who voted for trump? All those suburban moms who voted for a rapist? Nah bruv, those people can’t afford a $1200 vaccine or whatever the fuck. The traitor oligarchs can, sure. Perhaps they will meet their fate via a different route, nahmean?
Who exactly do you think voted for Trump? lmao
How does that help them? It’s a vaccine. If just you have yours, it doesn’t work very well. It still helps some and objectively improves things so it’s still a good idea, but it’s not like having it when everybody does their job.
You are thinking like someone who gives a damn about other humans. Yes, everyone benefits when everyone who is able to gets the shot and we can keep the overall spread down.
But what if you are the type of person who thinks that everything is a zero-sum game, and you’re not really a winner unless you have more than the other guy? What advantage is there to you, personally, if everyone benefits? It’s much better if you get the benefits, and people you hate do not.
The US is in the fast lane on the super highway to full stupid.
A wise man once said - never go full retard.
Words to live by.
That’d be fine if they weren’t dragging the rest of the world along with them.
Kill the department of education and force religious curriculum. This whitewashing will hide the history of slavery and make indentured servitude a normal way of life. If you tell them Jesus said it, they will believe it because they can’t read or just don’t care to take the time and do it. Religion is about blind faith in something that may or may not exist. It is a form of control over those with little to lose.
Ban vaccines so people are sick and weak. Make all other health care unaffordable. Make them starve by inflating prices. Make their bodies weak to avoid physical conflict. They can’t hurt you when they are barely able move or care for themselves.
End sex education and ban abortion. People are going to get sick and die constantly. You will have a population falloff preventing any increase to your wealth and power if you don’t force them to have kids faster to fill the labor pool.
Keep their wages low so you can buy out their housing. Force them to be reliant on you to put a roof over their heads. Make them work multiple jobs at little pay just to afford this rental housing. Having no home is a real killer of hope.
Pit them against each other. Crime is up, must be the illegal immigrants! They are taking all your jobs! That black guy down the street is going to steal you stuff and your women. That Jew works at the bank and is the reason you can’t get a raise or a loan. Your neighbor is your enemy and They will take everything you have if don’t have a gun to protect yourself.
I’m could keep going down the rabbit hole, but why bother. These assholes want us back in 1800’s where the rich control and own everything.
Don’t let them fool you. The rich control both parties in this country. It’s just that one side doesn’t give a fuck about being open about what they are doing or public perception.
I am not condoning violence, but this is where we are going to end up shortly if the rich stay comfortable. Freedom isn’t free, and we are almost out of fight due to apathy. Average people care more about what some ass clown doing in their social feeds than seeing what is about to slap them right in the face.
Tree of Liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
- Thomas Jefferson
He wanted to kill patriots?
What.the.fuck. why .
Behind the bastards has a great episode on RFK that will probably help you to understand why
RFK is insane. Trump hates the poor
You also have to recognize that Trump is proudly stupid and yearns to be loved. If he thinks one more person will like him for getting rid of vaccines, he’ll do it.
Bro. You know why. Trump is a puppet and Putin’s pulling the strings.
Chaos.
Make America Sick Again. But not, like siiick, dude!
Thank you USA if you do this, it will most likely show our crazies here in Europe why exactly it is we do it.
Of course I feel sorry for the children that will get needlessly sick.
We may see Darwin awards on a national scale for thefirst2nd time in history.
Except this time is worse, because it’s parents killing off their innocent children through stupidity. But A kind of Darwin award nonetheless, since they are ending their genetic line.First time in history? Did we forget about the Herman Cain awards already?
You are right, it already happened during Covid. I made an edit.
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Well at least all the historians will get to see what the collapse of the Roman Empire was like in realtime.
Was cool while it lasted.
I think we are forgetting the rate at which Trump chews through allies. Kennedy is simply another useful idiot. He was useful to have his idiot base vote for the turd. They will (maybe) look at the numbers, pharma will say that stocks will go down, and Kennedy will be substituted by another useful idiot. Wash, rinse, repeat.
That’s the only thing I can hope, is that the pharmaceutical and insurance industries will tell him to bury rfkj in a hole in the desert
This has such “Doctor Strangelove” vibes, although the idiocy on display in that movie was meant to be satirical and absurd, yet here we are
Oh? Sounds like someone wants my precious bodily fluids. You. Cant. Have them!
I have to wonder how many unvaxxed kids are out there right now where their parents have lied and said the kids are vaxxed. I wouldn’t put it past some unscrupulous doctors (and savvy parents) to forge vax docs where required.
If true, I would imagine what Trump and team are doing is only going to embolden unvaxxers to be more open and honest, rather than hiding it away.
Regardless, it sucks that kids are being used as pawns in their nutjob parent’s conspiracy theories. They don’t deserve it (the kids).
