American Militia Members. Where the hell are you? THIS is what you exist for and you are doing NOTHING!
Edit: I’ve only heard “defense against tyranny” as justification for these militias by these militia
They’re all white supremacists, man. This isn’t a tyranny to them, it’s exactly what they want, they want anyone who isn’t white ‘self deporting’ in the face of cruel mistreatment, and the military and the rest of the government is deleting any mention of any historical person that isn’t a white cis het male. They have never been happier.
This exactly.
They don’t see imposing a state of fundamentalist Christian supremacy as tyranny, because their ideology is one of Christian Nationalism (which in the US is inherently white nationalism).
They see the erosion of their relevance as the tyranny they’re supposed to stand up to despite it mostly being driven by cultural changes instead of government mandates. This means that the militias are meant to commit violence against civilians; they know the cops will side with them in a scrum. They’re more afraid of a lesbian with blue hair than a rogue sherrif depriving them of rights.
The vast, vast majority of armed militias that are allowed to operate in the U.S. are far-right white supremacists. Mysteriously, they are allowed to operate without any issues, but any leftist militias that start to accumulate guns get a visit from the FBI or the ATF.
We should start a leftist one masquerading as chuds for subterfuge. 😂
Chuds for Subterfuge sounds like a great punk rock band.
Not very many left wing militias have existed. A few anarchists and self-proclaimed-communists, but I wouldn’t really count them as leftwing just because they oppose the state because the sort of state they do support isn’t really any better.
In the USA, left wing is basically supporting taxation, regulation, and centralized government welfare services.
This comment is fucking ignorant.
Have you heard of the black panthers? The weather underground? Anything at all before you just bs everyone about taxation? While you ignore the biggest, most centralized expansion of the federal gov happened under GWB?
Were you alive 10 years ago or do you just enjoy lying?
Black Panthers are segregationists and second amendment gun nuts.
Weather Underground were the aforementioned self-proclaimed-communists who existed very very briefly 50 years ago. Currently the moniker is used by a meteorological company.
The fact that you have to go back half a century to find any examples is evidence of my point, no?
Keep on the first paragraph of your post, folks are liberal…
Your second paragraph is horseshit, I’m not going 50 years back to prove a point I’m citing 50 years of history to show how obviously fucked up wrong you are. Weather underground, black panthers, they didn’t act to increase taxation. Liberal movements aren’t asking for what you just said.
You are straight up fucking wrong.
it’s not government tyranny unless a democrat is president. duh,
They also didn’t do anything when the democrats were presidents.
And they were at least fascist lite.
Now look at them crying bcs they lost their precious uniparty democracy once it started bullying them and not just the rest of the world for once.Lol?
I haven’t seen any government nor president of the United States being toppled over by militia so it obviously meant they did not do it.
TIL: anything = successfully toppling the largest govt on the planet and anytime less than that means nothing at all
Very hot take
Enforcing government tyranny.
While it is true that the majority of what people conceive of as American “militias” are reactionary, leftist community defense groups do exist. They have no where near the organizing capacity to march on DC but they can be seen protecting their local communities often under the umbrella label Antifa. Given the material conditions of the US, most of the focus is on providing marginalized groups with the skills and resources to protect themselves.
Thanks for the links
Nothing got gun control passed faster than the Black Panthers buying guns.
Successful millitant Leftist organizers like the Black Panther Party are stamped out by the State, leaving only far-right millitias in any real number.
I’m convinced that this is it. There’s a dual track effort to defang leftists through first heavily propagandizing the success of “pure” non-violent movements by removing them from their context, then by aggressively stamping out the groups that move past that. The first part is why you see so many people saying “well, why don’t we just march again and wave more signs?” The state has done a very, very, very good job of convincing people that peaceful assembly without the threat of unpeaceful assembly behind it means a goddamn thing.
Spot-on! Just look at the historical revisionism surrounding the roles of Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X, the US mythologizes the Civil Rights Movement and erases the more millitant actions that forced their hand. See the shunning of Nelson Mandela for appreciating the aid Fidel Castro and Cuba at large had sent, followed by the revision of Mandela himself in popular western view. It’s through these distortions and bluntings of real, working class victories fought and paid in blood in ways that prevent the modern working class from following in their predecessor’s footprints.
Waiting for their orders to start killing brown folks.
I mean, if you look back to the framing of the constitution, the idea was that a bunch of citizen militias would be kept such that if the country needed defense, they would be able to respond. This was because the new United States lacked (and politically opposed) standing armies like the one which they just fought off the continent.
Since then, the United States acquired an Army, Navy, and Air Force alongside numerous National Guard units. The theoretical need for citizen militias vanished.
The real answer to your question is that we really don’t have citizens participating in “well-regulated militias.” Not from the constitutional context, anyway.
The need for citizen militias was specifically to support regular forces but also oppose them if necessary. The idea was that citizens should always be more powerful than the government. Some people think that modern weaponry means that people could never overpower the military, but we see it all the time.
To build upon that, a lot of lawyers have even argued the second amendment never gave people the right to collect military firearms at all because they don’t qualify as a well regulated militia.
Again, I call everyone’s attention to D.C. v. Heller (2008). The militia bit has been effectively discarded.
As for how it was intended, perhaps the Founding Fathers thought a standing army was bad so maybe there should be a strong militia ready to defend the US at all times. But that notion was put to bed pretty quickly when America got absolutely pummeled in the War of 1812, in which Washington, D.C. got pillaged and the White House torched and everything.
Majority of militia folks are fascists
Be it right or left. Militia or paramilitary is always big no no
Left and fascist are opposites. Left wing organization in general does sadly require millitancy, though, whether it be for revolution or to defend against outside Capitalist powers.
Ideas and idiologies are more than just left and right.
Facism is a way of doing things. It just usually is more prominent with the political right wings because of authotarianism. But there also are left facists. One just doesnt call them that. Leninists, maoists, stalinists, tankies
That’s not accurate, though. Fascism specifically is a far-right ideology centered around nationalism and entrenching the Bourgeoisie, usually through appealing to frustrations within the Petite Bourgeoisie. It’s a defense mechanism for Capitalism against rising labor organizing and threat of toppling Bourgeois power.
Marxism, on the other hand, is Left-wing. The class character of the various Communist strains is in appealing to the Proletariat, and wresting control from the Bourgeoisie, rather than entrenching it.
This is why Communists are the most effective anti-fascists, and fascists the most effective anti-communists, these are diametrically opposed systems and ideologies. That’s why 80% of the combat of World War II was on the Eastern Front, between the USSR and Nazi Germany.
I highly recommend Dr. Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds, the first chapter in particular goes to great length to explain how equating Communism to fascism is a horribly inaccurate mistake that obscures the real underlying systems and impacts the two ideologies have had on the global stage in History.
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This is a lot, so I’ll go through it point by point.
a) Marxism is the ideology formulated by Karl Marx, centering on a Scientific approach to Socialism, analysis of Capitalism along the lines of Marx’s Law of Value, and the philosophy of Historical and Dialectical Materialism. Marxism is an umbrella term for the various strains descending from this, the most common by far being Marxism-Leninism.
b) Socialism is an umbrella term for various economic propositions centering on collective ownership. Anarchism and Marxism are the most common umbrellas under Socialism.
c) Leninism refers to Lenin’s contributions to Marxism. Often it is used to explicitly reference the aspects of Marxism-Leninism that came from Lenin, such as analysis of Imperialism, though the idea of “Leninism” as a complete ideology is wrong, as Lenin was a Marxist and relied on Marxist analysis.
d) Stalinism usually is a reference to Stalin’s stance of Socialism in One Country, as contrasting Trotsky’s Permanent Revolution. Stalinism itself is not an ideology, but a policy position that is no longer really relevant in the modern day as that question was for the early Soviet Union. Sometimes Stalinism is used in place of Marxism-Leninism by those wishing to drive a distinction, but Stalin merely synthesized Marxism-Leninism, he considered himself a student of Lenin more than a theoretician in his own right.
e) Maoism, not to be confused with Marxism-Leninism Mao Zedong Thought, is an ideological strain under the umbrella of Marxism that places the Class Struggle at the top priority, rather than alongside the other pillars of Marxism. Examples of those influenced by Maoism include Gonzalo, but not Mao, who was a Marxist-Leninist, his contributions being called Marxism-Leninism Mao Zedong Thought.
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This is historically and analytically inaccurate, see the previous comment where I answered this more in-depth.
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I included those theaters, the combat on the Eastern Front was on an entirely different scale.
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The Russian Empire refers to Tsarist Russia, not the USSR. The USSR was not an Empire. Again, more historical inaccuracy and failed analysis, see the above comment.
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Finishing your comment on a racist tirade and calling me a bot for disagreeing with you and backing up my claims with sources is not really something I think of when I think of “left-wing.”
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Facism is a way of doing things
Fascism is an ideology, not way of doing things.
One just doesnt call them that. Leninists, maoists, stalinists, tankies
If they are fascists, why did Hitler attack them?
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94% of Militia members in the US are foaming at the mouth reactionaries if not open fascists, with many being active or former law enforcement or related to military or intelligence.
You mean the National Guard? They’re just another branch of of the military now.
If you mean the white nationalist militias, they’re pretty content with what going on. I think they’re getting ready to bring lynching back.
If you are talking about leftwing militias, I got some bad news…
I meant any of the groups that justify themselves as being a check against tyranny
Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses. For the most part, it’s fascists who form these militias, and quite a few of them are cops and military from 9–5. These people are not against “tyranny,” they’re for their own fascist brand of tyranny.
Oh they only care about tyranny that affects them. It’s not tyranny if it’s hurting the people they want hurt.
If the anti fascists of the US actually started arming themselves en masse, I think it would be a net positive effect.
Either you have more armed anti fascists able to fight back, or the fascists panic and begin banning guns, causing the fools who follow them to actually think twice about their beliefs.
Nothing gets far right followers more riled up than someone threatening to take their firearms.
This guy gets it
