In a shocking incident, horrific visuals are surfacing on the internet in which it can be seen that the Hamas militants are taking a semi-naked dead body of an Israeli woman on an open truck and parading in the city. It is said that the militants after attacking Israel are killing and taking the civilians as hostage. The militants took the dead bodies of the innocent civilians who were killed during the attack in open trucks and paraded them.
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No. Religion caused this. Stop worshipping your imaginary friend in the sky.
I’d think Israel’s apartheid policies and ethnic cleansing caused this, but what do I know?
And what is the root cause of that?
This is like the whole lost cause bullshit of the Civil War. It’s about states rights, ok states right to do what exactly? All you have to do is ask why A is happening and get B and then ask why B is happening.
To be clear religion isn’t 100% to blame there are other factors but you really can’t underestimate the impact it has on every single problem in that region of the world.
Why is your skydaddy so eager to have all of his followers hurt each other?
If we’re gonna blame fundamental human instincts, I’d say what’s more to blame here is ethnicity since being Jewish is both a religion and an ethnicity.
I don’t feel any particular human instinct to kill a women from a different ethnic group and drive her naked body around on a truck.
It takes religion for that.
Also “Why is your skydaddy so eager to have all of his followers hurt each other?”
The instincts I was talking about were religion and ethnicity bruh. And I’m saying that if you’re gonna blame one or the other, it’s ethnicity hands down.
I don’t worship a god, I just don’t like seeing “barbaric savages” rhetoric in the wild. Whatever metric is being used to call them religious savages is equally applicable to America’s christian fundamentalist religious savagery, except that America owns more press.
I don’t worship a god,
Prove it. Blasphemy the Holy Ghost and deny the existence of Allah right here and now.
You’re missing the point. It’s a lemmygrad user. They’re not defending religion. They just go around saying “America bad” at every opportunity.
i’m litrerally a transgender bisexual
guess you wouldn’t say it loud in front of the “not-barbaric”
Prove it. Blasphemy the Holy Ghost and deny the existence of Allah right here and now.
reddit atheism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
I literally said I don’t worship a god. That’s blasphemy. You should examine why you’re so much more hung up on making your magic sky fairy reddit arguments than you are about the Palestinians getting bombed right now
Are you seriously trying to argue that a war between two religious ethno-states that are a hairs breadth away from being theocracies isn’t religiously motivated?
Don’t you think the more parsimonious explanation is that this is a war of apartheid and colonialism?
There are Muslim and Christian Israelis and Jewish and Christian Palestinians. Sure, religion plays somewhat of a role in the conflict, but this is no more of a holy war than Operation Enduring Freedom or the Russo-Ukranian war, except that you wouldn’t ever accuse those of being about religion except in the context of this argument as a defense mechanism.
This video is basically them tattooing “backwards savage” on their forehead. There is no other conclusion. You could have the most justified cause there is, but doing this completely and utterly cancels that out.
Those things are all extremely rooted in and justified by religion…
✨that’s the point✨
It’s stretch to call what is shown in the video “parading”. The video shows the body facedown in the back of a pickup, partially covered with gear and the legs of the militants also riding in the back. The truck drives off quickly once the crowd allows. It seems more they they are just trying to move the body.
Does it just look like a regular funeral car, moving the body of a peaceful person to the graveyard for a kind goodbye with grieving family? Or, if you focus, could you see a group of people laughing oddly? Notice the armed passengers in the pick-up truck, surely feeling on top of the world because of what they’re doing. Look at the man casually grabbing her by her dreadlocks. Spot the man who carelessly spat on her head at the end of the video. Check out her unnatural pose - could you please look at how her arm and leg are bent? Surprisingly, there’s not any military gear on her.
I almost forgot - the person killed so hatefully seems to have been recognized. Check this: https://www.instagram.com/p/CwxZUkQM7Mn/. Notice the same boots, the identical tattoo on her leg, her dreadlocks, the victim’s clothing looks the same as the woman in the link, and they were both near Gaza borders before the event.
To make matters worse, there’s lots of viral videos showing these bad guys boldly kidnapping innocent women.
Put all these pieces together and the picture is really dark. Yet there they are, those “militants” who are “just moving the body” and the people watching, all making a great fun out of her dead body. It really makes you think that IS a parade?
Jesus fucking Christ simmer the fuck down, the guy didn’t say “HAMAS IS DOING ALLAH’S WORK ALL PRAISE HIS NAME” he just took issue with the terminology.
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The ANC and their militant affiliates did some things that were labeled as terrorism in their struggle against apartheid in South Africa, yet they were objectively the good guys in that fight. I don’t know why some people have a hard time seeing the similarities in the Palestinian struggle.
Anyone who kidnaps, rapes, and murders a civilian is a bad guy. Full stop.
In a broad, philosophical, humanitarian context okay, sure, maybe. However, in the specific context of a struggle were one side is trying to ethnically cleanse the other you usually have to be a dim coward to say that both sides are bad.
I’ve become convinced that there are basically no good guys in war, but intentionally targeting civilians does put you a cut above the rest. Average Israelis and average Palestinians are the real victims here.
The Irish occasionally did bad things to English civilians, as did the Allies to the Nazis, the ANC to the boers, and I suppose in the present the Ukrainians to the Russians. Do you both-sides those conflicts as well? When bad things happen on behalf of a rightful liberation struggle it is ultimately the fault of the occupiers. The chickens come home to roost.
If you like I’m sure we can find some videos that actually show bodies being paraded through streets. That’s just not what’s happening in the video from the article. They are trying to move the body as quickly as they can, possibly even to prevent something really atrocious from happening. Like it or not, Hamas are the good guys in this fight, regardless of the actual provenance or treatment of the corpse.
Your literally arguing whether or not a dead body was being “paraded” or not, and saying - meh, they’re fighting a fight I agree with, so it doesn’t matter if atrocities are committed. Fuck. You.
Saying the article is inaccurate doesn’t mean you support Hamas. Stop being stupid.
Yeah. That’s all he’s saying…
Hey, for all I know maybe Hamas is just bad a parading. Regardless, any and all atrocities in this conflict are ultimately the fault of the Israeli occupiers. I’m sorry if that’s the side with which you identify.
Hey, for all I know maybe Hamas is just bad a parading
Imagine being such a piece of garbage that this is your first thought…
And I don’t care WHO is uLtImAtEly at fault. Atrocities are atrocities. And you’re a piece of shit human being.
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This is almost as bad as the Palestinian settlement destruction and genocide by Israel. Not quite but almost.
What Israel does is as you described. But can we please not use whataboutism to try and justify barbaric behavior? This is grotesque. Things done to Palestine are grotesque. Let’s just call evil things evil and not try and say “hey cause someone else did an evil this evil is okay.”
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It’s the fucking dynamics of war.
This was a war crime.
So is Israel firing on Palestinian civilians. Both countries are soaked in innocent blood.
Agreed.
Ignoring the ad hominem in your post, I never said Hamas was Palestine. I said that things done to Palestine are grotesque. I said this action by Hamas was grotesque, and replying to the original commenter that it was “almost as bad” as heinous acts done by the recipient of this evil act does not justify this evil act.
And the Holocaust has literally nothing to do with this discussion, as you mention. Better to make your point would be to actually discuss whataboutism as a definition and provide discussion for why making a counter accusational justification doesn’t qualify as whataboutism (note: the definition of whataboutism is literally responding to an accusation with a counter accusation in an attempt to side step the issue, which I believe is exactly what happened here, eg “this evil act (the accusation) is actually not that bad because of the other evil acts of Israel (counter accusation)”).
So my argument still stands to the tenets by definition, I never equated Hamas to Palestine (and in fact made the same point that acts done to them were also horrible), and never defended Israel or Hamas. I just don’t believe that killing civilians, or committing war crimes or attempting terror campaigns, is justifiable (by either side).
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whataboutism
Or the Oxford definition:
what·a·bout·ism /ˌ(h)wədəˈboudizəm/ nounBRITISH the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.
Edit: downvoting the actual definition from two external, highly authoritative sources that support my previous comments is certainly an interesting choice
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I mean I can’t say I support murdering civilians, but Israel had this coming for a long time. It’s not whataboutism, more just the natural consequence of Israeli policy the last 80 years.
I never said what you’re implying. This is not what aboutism in any sense.
Saying “this is almost as bad” establishes a comparison, and in the context establishes justification for this event because of the comparator. So your response to the barbarism here is a tacit justification by comparison, or taken in another view, a counter accusation. Which is definitive whataboutism: responding to an accusation with a counter accusation.
Comparing two acts isn’t whataboutism…lol
If someone slaps you and you stab him back it’s not whataboutism to point out the disproportionate use of force.
I made no attempt to downplay or excuse the actions of Palestine.
This is not a debate. I pointed out a fact and you got upset about it. Fallacies don’t come into play here at all.
Comparing two acts is the textbook definition of whataboutism.
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🤣. Oh look you’re doing exactly what Wikipedia describes (parenthesis mine):
Whataboutism can provide necessary context into whether or not a particular line of critique is relevant or fair (this is what I did), and behavior that may be imperfect by international standards may be appropriate in a given geopolitical neighborhood (which is the circumstance here).[7]
(Here’s where you come in): Accusing an interlocutor of whataboutism can also in itself be manipulative and serve the motive of discrediting, as critical talking points can be used selectively and purposefully even as the starting point of the conversation (cf. agenda setting, framing, framing effect, priming, cherry picking). The deviation from them can then be branded as whataboutism.[citation needed]
You look like a fool.
Whole lotta words just to say I’m right. Thanks for backing me up I guess…?
Both are bad but can we work on our own issues, can’t even make peace within our own Western nations between conservatives and liberals
How do you know the poster you responded to is Western? Maybe this IS his issue.
I’ll leave this here. Not because there’s one story that shows up. Because there are so many stories that show up in this one search. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=boy+shot+in+face+israeli+forces&t=ofa&ia=web
Just saw Andor recently. Very interesting the parallel between Israel and the Empire. The issue is the overarching reach of Israel throughout the conflict that is only help breeding more radicals. And islamic martyrdom is just another factor that would serve as a cayalyst for more violence in the area. I’m impressed how long Israel defense held up.
OMG this is just like my Heckin Disney showerino!!!
I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!! I CLAPPED, I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW ANDORINO!!!
Lol, I pretty much react to this whenever I see people reference pop culture shit.
It just doesn’t matter, and they’re usually trying to tell people “I enjoyed this thing, you should watch it too! It’s relevant I swear!”
Which is almost as bad as the people who inevitably pop up exclaiming how they’re definitely way too cool to enjoy [thing that is currently popular]
Found the guy who feels called out.
That’s okay, new season of mandalorian coming out soon!
I’m sorry, I couldn’t hear you over the sound of how not like other kids you are.
Yeah… you would think having higher standards is just ‘not being like other kids.’
Lol. Don’t forget to pay your subscription.
All of the year 2020 was just like that movie “Outbreak” with Dustin Hoffman and Rene Russo
Tarkovski was able to make movies with overtly religious themes in the Soviet Union, because it was ‘just science fiction’.
Andor is a tv show about more than just funny space aliens. So is Star Wars obviously, but Andor is properly good tv.
Thankfully people thinking it’s ‘just a Disney show’ or ‘it’s just scifi’ is how stuff like this slips under the radar. See also: trans metaphor The Matrix, Starship Troopers equating right-wing American militarism with Nazi Germany, and V for Vendetta’s ambiguity on the ethics of terrorism.
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They didn’t kill Tarkovski, despite at one point viewing him as a subversive and dissident. He defected in 1979.
Tarkovski is arguably one of the best and most influential directors of all time, but you don’t seem to know that much about him. Do you think you’re in a position to be a snob about what you consider a ‘mere Disney’ show?
In my experience, real filmlovers aren’t snobs. Same goes for music, art, books, etc. Posers invariably are though. They pretend that they’re better than that, because they’re insecure and need to feel better about themselves.
it’s Tarkovsky, not Tarkovski
TIL. In my native language the ий in Тарковский (still?) becomes an i.
Honestly, I wonder if they don’t just do it randomly. I volunteered with Ukrainians. I met brothers who had the same family name in cyrillic, but two different names in roman/latin script. They were in the same group, but didn’t follow each other in an alphabetic list of surnames. Wasn’t a y/i either. Think it was something at the beginning of the surname.
IRC the Soviets used to use the French method of romanisation (for passports). So the ий became an i. I think at a certain point they started using an english system, in which the ий becomes a y.
But if you google romanization of Russian and the Russian alphabet, you’ll still see that й can become an i, y, or even a j.
I didn’t say killed I said would have.
Andor is a mere Disney show, produced for profit and for the masses. I know who Tarkovsky is, I’ve read his book and watched his films. To compare Andor to his works is asinine.
I’m not being a snob, I liked Andor. I dislike trying to compare real world tragedies and countries that aren’t Nazi Germany to Disney shows. Israel isn’t great but it’s not that level. This is an issue with people on the internet as a whole, they want to connect to recent tragic events and attempt to do so through whatever pop culture media just released. Is why I said the “hecking Star War moverino” and added the soyjack.
