Renewables capacity needs to increase substantially and hydrogen and derivatives need an eight-fold increase to meet a Pathway to Net Zero (PNZ) by 2050, according to DNV’s Energy Transition Outlook 2023 report.
I will add that this is a fairly pessimistic projection. We will likely need a lot more for transportation and heavy industry. Especially once you account for economic growth in countries like India, Indonesia, all the African countries, etc.
I’m curious Hypx, I might have made a rush decision in assuming you were a bot. Do you work in renewables?
You started off assuming “pro-BEV = good, pro-anything-else = evil oil conspiracy.” There comes a point where you have to realize that the BEV is not a panacea, and in reality is a just a transitional idea. People need to accept the existence of newer ideas.
Right now Hydrogen generation is near as makes no difference all performed by burning fossil fuels, so it’s easy to see why oil companies would want to concentrate on this as a technology. Your posts are an eclectic mix of hydrogen related news and nothing else, which makes me wonder what your position is in this space?
Electricity, until recently, included nearly zero wind or solar energy. This type of accusation is pretty much identical to the accusation that BEVs are just an extension of coal power.
There is no secret agenda here. Hydrogen is just flat-out the green fuel of the future. BEV fanatics are just being upset that it is not their favored idea.
As a bit or a nerd and environmentalist, I’ve had solar panels for more than 20 years. My personal electrical consumption has been entirely renewable for all of that time, and many thousands of kWh have been fed back into the grid.
Compressed hydrogen or liquid hydrogen are simply not a realistic alternative to BEVs with any current or emerging technology.
Hydrogen may have a place in future, and I agree there is no panacea, but at the moment Hydrogen is an technology looking for a purpose.
My main question again… what is your skill set and position in renewables and the hydrogen industry? Just a fan or do you work in the sector?
If you are both a nerd and environmentalist, you’d also know people said the same thing about BEVs just a decade ago. You’re being closer to a Luddite than an actual nerd.
Any chance of you answering my actual question?
Oil companies will barely be able to hide their erections!
Hydrogen will be the future when it is 95% produced by solar or some other low polluting method. Right now it is just a way for petrochemicals to stay relevant in the ‘renewables’ market.
People said the same thing about all green tech. In reality it is a conspiracy theory.
The fact that it is currently 95% from fossil fuels is a conspiracy theory?
Fossil fuel companies have decades of history of manipulating renewable initiatives towards their own byproducts. Keeping that in mind so we can focus on the long term need for cleaner hydrogen production is important so we don’t pretend hydrogen from fossil fuels is clean just because the hydrogen is clean at the point of use.
It’s the same accusation made against BEVs. That it is just powering cars with coal. But it’s a dumb argument because you can power them with anything. Same is true with hydrogen.
Except we had already made massive strides with production of electricity through solar, wind, and other renewables and have continued to improve the ratios of renewable to fossil fuel generation for electricity. All of the renewable methods had enough obvious potential that the claims it was mostly fossil fuel were accurate, but there was a foreseeable path away from fossil fuels. Note that a lot of the ‘it is just fossil fuels so it isn’t better’ came from fossil fuel producers who wanted to muddy the water.
Hydrogen is still at a place where there is no obvious potential growth in using renewables to produce hydrogen. The only thing that is currently obviously scalable is more fossil fuel based production. That doesn’t require the fossil fuel companies to end provide misinformation, that is just where we are at technologically the last I checked when electric and hydrogen cars were being compared as the new potential hotness within the last decade.
Is there some new scalable production method for hydrogen that has come out that I missed that will impact that 95% rate? If there is I will be pleasantly surprised!
And what is the end result of that, other than equally massive strides in production of green hydrogen? You cannot say that renewable can take off, but then claim that its direct consequences won’t happen.
It’s pretty obvious you didn’t read the article. Green hydrogen is absolute necessary for a green society. It’s not merely an idea anymore. People who still think otherwise are either stuck 10 years in the past, or are repeating generic anti-green energy lies, no different than what the fossil fuel industry said about renewable energy.
Look, there are multiple things going on and you are dismissing one criticism because one part of the process is lagging behind.
Electric and hydrogen vehicles are awesome! The both reduce pollution in cities and places where people live by reducing it at the point of use. We absolutely need to continue the work on the use of hydrogen fuel cells for applications for the same reason as electric, primarily the short term benefits and the long term potential of being 100% renewable.
I mean my first response was that we needed to focus on more renewable methods for producing hydrogen because right now the fossil fuel companies are set up to benefit immediately from any increase and that will just incentivize them to spread more misinformation as the renewables get sorted out.
Then you can stop with the conspiracy theories and just accept hydrogen as a good idea.
