We’ll give the upgrade new try tomorrow. I’ve had some good input from admins of other instances, which are also gonna help troubleshoot during/after the upgrade.
Also there are newer RC versions with fixed issues.
Be aware that might we need to rollback again, posts posted between the upgrade and the rollback will be lost.
We see a huge rise in new user signups (duh… it’s July 1st) which also stresses the server. Let’s hope the improvements in 0.18.1 will also help with that.
Good luck.
I’ve been reading about you. Urithiru has just been attacked.
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We’re all counting on you.
Fuck Moash
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I heard this in the SNES Star Fox voice.
I heard this in the SNES Star Fox voice.
TFW you run a small server with an open source social platform for shits any giggles and one month it explodes a thousandfold because of one greedy pig boy.
You know, maybe I’m being overly dramatic, but I really feel like we’re at the beginning of something special. I realize that Lemmy has existed for some years, but the whole Reddit thing is really pushing it into the limelight, and it’s new to me (I joined just before the blackout).
Seeing all the developers and admins dealing with the inevitable bugs, working together to keep the federated instances operating together during a huge surge in users, like a flotilla of disparate ships lashed together facing a major storm - it makes me excited, nervous, and hopeful. I fully intend to support developers and instances financially, but also want to give a big “yay team” shout-out.
Not dramatic at all. This feels like starting fresh, and the enthusiasm and excitement makes it feel like the early 2010s of the internet again. I love it 😍
Totally agree. Alas, I’ll need to find time to help with time/knowledge. (that’s my best chance, cash is an issue)
Time and knowledge are probably more important. A lot of well meaning people are copying over a bunch of Reddit content into communities here, but I think that’s only useful in a small subset of them. If you’re looking to scan through a bunch of memes, okay that’s great. But a lot of people are looking for discussions and content to interact with, and a giant number of posts with no comments isn’t helping that.
So starting or contributing to real discussions (like this one!) is a big contribution.
There is some content on thousands of niche subreddits that are there for knowledge reasons.
Not all subs are default meme subs there are tons of small niche communities that shared and collected valuable knowledge.
For me that’s the biggest loss.
I think the solving the bugs and server issues is great to see, but I also think Lemmy is facing some deep issues about its design in the future, and it’s going to take more than technical know-how to fix it.
Yeah, I agree. I think they can be worked out, but I don’t think they have been yet. I think there’s a lot of potential in the distributed architecture, and am excited to see it progress.
This is like that scene in a sci-fi movie where they’re trying to repair the ship mid-battle. Good luck!
I used to work with a guy who was a sysadmin for a moderately sized webhost in the mid-2000s when things like containers and cluster orchestrators didn’t exist and high availability/multi-master database systems were only really accessible to banks.
He once described patching the servers “like trying to change all the tires on a car without being allowed to pull over”.
…as an IT guy who started my career as containers starred to be a thing, some of the stories from the late 90’s early 2000’s are bonkers. We have it so much easier with things like k8s handling the orchestration.
Watching lemmy react realtime is hella interesting, good luck y’all!
Admins be like:
PSA from Admin Team: The update completed roughly two hours ago. Since that time, the Admin team (and other site admins) have been working on the noted performance issues. We believe we have found a solution, but we still need time to test this out. You may still see brief outages and differences in performance as we are testing different configurations. We are trying to prevent rolling back.
While I know this can be frustrating - especially today - please keep in mind we have a team of volunteer techies (from around the globe!) collaborating on this issue. It is an inspiring situation. Also keep in mind that lemmy.world is quite a bit larger (and more active than any other instance). As such, we are a bit of a ‘test instance’ in regards to high volume requests. This is just part of the growing pain. We appreciate your understanding.
@[email protected] will provide a debrief once we have completed testing.
Godspeed. I really hope this is the one and the age of randomly redirecting to sports game threads will be over!
Surprise MLB got you down? Too bad, we have orbital space lasers!
*zap!*
Yeah the random refreshes on desktop is almost unusable. Fingers crossed!
the age of randomly redirecting to sports game threads
Glad I wasn’t the only one experiencing that.
That should be a conspiracy.
Thank you for the heads-up. 🤙
Is it wise to do a big deployment on the day when you may receive a massive influx of new users from Reddit? The API changes take affect on the 1st.
It’s a bit of a lose lose situation tbh because if we don’t upgrade then the first experience those new people are gonna have of Lemmy is an unusable All feed and a broken Jerboa.
My other account is on lemm.ee and the admin there contributes a lot of fixes to the software (plus has been working with Ruud to figure out our federation issues). He upgraded us a couple days ago and it’s been amazingly stable given that it was only a day after the rc1 disaster.
Ultimately I trust that he and Ruud know what they’re doing, but sometimes with an untestable situation like the size of .world you just have to pull the trigger and hope it works.
Wise ? No. Useful ? Maybe. If the improvement can help with the load and the general experience, it’s a good idea.
And, hm, the “site is down sometimes” experience would not be that foreign to reddit user in the first place :D
And, hm, the “site is down sometimes” experience would not be that foreign to reddit user in the first place
Plus, Lemmy doesn’t passive-aggressively blame the user for site issues.
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Probably not, but surprisingly some 3P apps still work. I can confirm that Joey for Reddit and Infinity for Reddit are still able to access reddit. Seems like they don’t pull the plug in one go? Or cherry picking the most demanding apps first?
For context, it’s July 1st 16:27 p.m., GMT+9 where I am.
There might be less users influx than expected, though we’ll see in the next few hours or days.
Well website crashing all the time and jerboa crash loops. Woop, at least I’ve found a working alternative client now
Server feels a lot better now than it did an hour ago. Comments are going through quickly and upvotes are working for me.
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With how unbelievably awful Reddit is without 3rd party apps, all Lemmy needs to thrive is content (and servers not blowing up).
Yeah I’m fully prepared to stay here just based off how much effort has gone into making it more accessable. Hopefully the content will be able to get up to the reddit levels.
The userbase is still a long way away from critical mass, but it might have grown enough to get the snowball rolling. Especially if the power users relied on their 3rd party apps, they might be more inclined to move over, and those were disproportionately responsible for producing the content.
I don’t see the point in returning to reddit. The Spez has lost the thread and lost any trust from any user who isn’t too young to care or the people who don’t have a brain. So anyone left, isn’t worth interacting with to me. If a miraculous recovery happens, maybe, but I don’t see it as likely at all.
I’m actually glad this has happened. Quality has been going down on average over time there as it got more popular. And I don’t just mean the site itself.
If we spray them with glue, quite a few.
To say I will NEVER use reddit again would be a lie, but it will be very seldom, and only when I’m at a computer. Even that will only last as long as old.reddit does, which is basically guaranteed to be a short time.
Otherwise, I’m here fully.
Some of them will, some of them won’t. I wouldn’t worry too much about it.
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I’m down for a new social media addiction as long as there’s a good app for it.
Both Boost and Sync are coming to Lemmy, so you’ll have at least two top tier apps to choose from.
Hey man if y’all have planning meetings or anything for this stuff I’m willing to jump on and read the source code. 15 years engineering and dev, willing to put time in for you guys.
You might want to DM @[email protected]
Sent thanks
0 years of experience willing to do the same. Me basically this meme https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/446/009/d10.jpg
The lemmy code is on github.
Good luck. This is my favorite instance so I will be eagerly awaiting. Lemmy has been incredible and strangely what I needed. I would doom scroll reddit and see the same posts and the same comment chains and just redundancy hell.
Lemmy feels so different and the community is so welcoming. Thanks again everyone for making this lost Redditor a found lemming (is that the correct term lol).
I would doom scroll reddit and see the same posts and the same comment chains and just redundancy hell.
Ugh, so true. On Lemmy, it feels like it’s actually worth it to qualitatively engage with people.
Agreed. I think the user base is a big part of it. Almost by definition, this place is full of people that used to use third party Reddit apps. That group would have been dominated by people that signed up before Reddit launced their official app in 2016, so accounts that are at least seven years old, and in many cases, even older (my first Reddit account dates to 2011). That means (1) users who were teens or adults in 2016 that are now seven years older and hopefully seven years wiser, and (2) users that participated in Reddit when it was more discussion forum oriented rather than the current form of quick dopamine hit memes.
I’m nearly 40, and I suspect a decent amount of the users over here are too (i.e., the group of twentysomethings that discovered Reddit shortly after the Digg situation). Children and teenagers that signed up for Reddit within the past two or three years would be on the official app without a reason to migrate, so hopefully, that means this place is mostly adults willing to have respectful conversations with one another. We’ll see if it lasts, but that’s the impression I get now. It’s refreshing.
I agree. I’m an early millenial and had a 10 year account that I primarily accessed using 3rd party apps. This feels much closer to reddit when I first started than reddit itself does right now, and I am grateful for its existence.
Can’t you disable the post button within the upgrade progress? It’s a shame to see posts to disappear due to it.
Fingers crossed. Would love for the auto refreshing to finally stop.
FYI, you can mitigate this by specifying page zero in the URL. As an example, if you’re looking at the “All” page on Lemmy.world, the URL looks like this:
https://lemmy.world/home/data_type/Post/listing_type/All/sort/Active/page/1
Just change the
1at the end to a0and hit Enter. No more refresh bug.
