An oldie, but a goodie

  • @dohpaz42
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    5518 months ago

    I feel it’s equally important to point ot that Torvalds recognized his toxic behavior, apologized for it, and took steps to rectify it.

    In an email to the Linux Kernel Mailing List, which also addresses the kernel update of Linux 4.19-rc4, Torvalds writes: “I need to change some of my behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development entirely.”

    “I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people’s emotions and respond appropriately.”

    • @[email protected]
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      2668 months ago

      That was seriously admirable. From memory he actually did improve quite a lot after that as well.

      • The Stoned Hacker
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        1178 months ago

        I’ve heard he’s not perfect but he doesn’t lose his temper anymore and has only gotten better with age. I respect anyone who can self reflect and introspect and come out a better person.

        • @[email protected]
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          118 months ago

          So two wrongs make a right? Or could this have been a civil private email instead? And if civil private conversations aren’t working, then it’s time to part ways.

            • @[email protected]
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              28 months ago

              Acceptable, yes. But a good manager knows not to shine a spotlight on the mistakes of the team. There’s nothing to gain keeping it public that you wouldn’t also gain by keeping it private. But your team’s morale is kept high if you sing their praises instead of their shortcomings.

              • @[email protected]
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                48 months ago

                I get what your saying, but i feel like the aggressively public development model means that more could be public here than i would accept on another team.

  • @[email protected]
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    3718 months ago

    Not going to touch the general toxicity as it’s something Linus has already apologized and worked through with professional help, but I love the attitude when it comes to responsibility.
    Far too often it’s easier to blame someone else for error.

    “No this is our problem, and I’m ashamed you’re trying to blame someone else for it” is respectable take

    • @[email protected]
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      -288 months ago

      His style of being direct, having a high quality threshold and calling out bullshit immediately and bluntly is why the Linux kernel went from a university project to powering everything from lightbulbs to super computers. I think it kind of ridiculous that this demonstrably effective style got framed as “toxic” just because he hurt a few people’s fee-fees.

      • @[email protected]
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        1518 months ago

        You can be direct and call out bullshit without swearing and name calling. While the content of this sounds reasonable, the tone definitely isn’t. If someone talked to me like that I’d tell them to fuck right off.

        • @[email protected]
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          108 months ago

          Yes you could but he didn’t and clearly his style was self evidently effective. And I’d add that if you’ve ever read the LKML archives, that these rants were rare and usually preceded by long chains of discussion before it reached that point.

          • Pelicanen
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            318 months ago

            Doesn’t make it right. Michael Jackson’s dad abused his kids and they became world famous artists, doesn’t mean abusing your kids is acceptable or should be seen as such.

                • Pyro
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                  128 months ago

                  Except it’s not a distinction at all.

                  analogy (n.) - a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.

                • @[email protected]
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                  -18 months ago

                  It’s a rotten analogy. Comparing Linus having a go at some volunteers is not analogous, or comparable to a father abusing kids.