We’re closing this thread. Everything that could be said has been said. Thank you


Original Post:
Today, we want to inform everyone that we have decided to defederate from https://exploding-heads.com/. We understand that defederating should always be a last resort, and individuals can certainly block communities. However, blocking alone does not prevent potential harm to vulnerable communities.

After carefully reviewing the instance, reported posts, and multiple comments from the community, we have concluded that exploding-heads is not adhering to the Lemmy or Citizen Code of Conduct. Therefore, we cannot, in good faith, continue to federate with an instance that consistently promotes hate, racism, and bullying.

Examples:
https://lemmy.world/post/577526 - Community Moderator Harassment
https://exploding-heads.com/post/92194 - Systemadmin Post
https://exploding-heads.com/post/90780 - Systemadmin Post
https://exploding-heads.com/post/91488 - Systemadmin Post
https://exploding-heads.com/post/93725 - Community Moderator Post

Again, deciding to defederate from an instance is not taken lightly. In the future, we will continue to review instances on a case-by-case bases.

As for our community, please refrain from posting or commenting with hateful words as well. Arguing back and calling people names is not the solution. The best course of action is to report the posts or comments violating our server rules.

Lemmy Code of Conduct
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html
Citizen Code of Conduct https://github.com/stumpsyn/policies/blob/master/citizen_code_of_conduct.md

“We are committed to providing a friendly, safe, and welcoming environment for all, regardless of level of experience, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic.”

  • Variden
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    11211 months ago

    Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. Good for everybody

    • 𝕾𝖕𝖎𝖈𝖞 𝕿𝖚𝖓𝖆
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      11 months ago

      I love the “freedom of speech includes the freedom to offend” crowd because like, of course it does, but don’t be surprised when nobody likes you because you’re being a dick to everyone.

      • @rwhitisissle
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        2611 months ago

        I love that the underlying implication of “freedom of speech includes the freedom to offend” is that you presumably aren’t free to respond to things that offend you by electing to not expose yourself to it any further. Like, you apparently aren’t allowed to say “oh, that’s really gross. I don’t like that and am not going to voluntarily expose myself to it any further and when someone asks me my opinion I will indicate that I dislike it.” You have to sit there and take it. Honestly, defederating is a great choice for lemmy instances. What’s the alternative? Trying to convince whatever service a lemmy instance is hosted on to deplatform them like people did with Amazon and Parler? I think the posts linked here about exploding-heads are vile, but I don’t want them or any other instance to be subject to the whims of some kind of internet police force, and especially not to whatever service or services are used to keep them up. Just leave them in the dust and be done with it, I say.

      • @Hypersapien
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        1511 months ago

        Freedom of speech might include freedom to offend, but it doesn’t obligate anyone else to listen or let you use their soapbox.

        • @Bazoogle
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          1111 months ago

          Freedom of speech includes giving me the freedom to call them fucking idiotic bigots.

      • Variden
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        311 months ago

        It also includes don’t engaging with people that offend you. But when you do that they claim that you are the offender

    • @el_cordoba
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      2211 months ago

      One thing that bothers me is that “freedom of speech”, at least from an American perspective, just protects someone from retaliation from the government. That means that you can’t go spouting off garbage and expect people to not call and/or kick you out for being a turd.

      Instead, the point was that you could be critical of the governing body without fear of being locked up. Good examples of this would be what’s happening in Russia.

      • Ulu-Mulu-no-die
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        1011 months ago

        at least from an American perspective

        In EU as well, freedom of speech means they can’t arrest you for what you say, it’s about the government, not private companies/entities.

      • @azuth
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        511 months ago

        Freedom of speech is not the first amendment. The first amendment is a protection of that right in the US legal system, limited in scope to actions of government agencies.

        That does not mean private citizens or corporations (which are actually not the same in reality) cannot infringe of free speech with harmful consequences. It’s just legal for them to do so. Corporate social media do it all the time.

        So you have a system where speech is regulated not based on it’s merits (or harm caused in case of hate speech) but on the whims of whoever owns major media, where the majority of discourse occurs in the modern world.

        Arguments based on compelled speech infringing the social media’s right to free speech or it’s right to freedom of association make no sense. The law already provides them with protections for hosting users’ illegal material (whether copyright infringements or far worse) precisely because it’s not the social media itself that posts it.

        With that said, I do not think defederation infringes on their right to free speech (the moral right, not a legal right). Their message is still online and frankly lemmy.world is not really the public space in the way things like facebook or twitter are. Thus they are not really affecting their ability to get their message to people.

      • Variden
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        311 months ago

        I agree. If you are being a turd to people without committing any crimes the government should do nothing but other people can

    • @ngwoo
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      1411 months ago

      There’s a reason freedom of speech goes hand-in-hand with freedom of association. The freedom to not associate with someone because you don’t like their speech is as strong as the freedom to say what you want.

      • Variden
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        111 months ago

        Exactly

    • @small44
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      211 months ago

      Some opinions shouldn’t have consequences thoughts. Hate speech isn’t freedom of speech too

    • GreenM
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      -1311 months ago

      I agree but I don’t want someone else to decide what I can hear or read. I can filter dump-heads myself.

      • Setarkus.LW
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        2411 months ago

        No one’s stopping you from going there though. Just not from this instance

        • @aldamar
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          -1811 months ago

          Good job proving his point

          • Variden
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            411 months ago

            If you want to listen them join their instance. Nobody is stopping you from that. This is exactly what fediverse is good for