Left libertarian/anarchist here. Having markets And being capitalists are not the same thing. It’s possible to have markets without being capitalist.
There was no sharp transition. Russia and China have never been communist nor will they ever be communist. But their transition from oppressive states ruled by the bloody hands of the vanguard party. To oppressive States ruled by state capitalist oligarchs either enabled by the former Vanguard party. Or serving at the blessing of the current Vanguard party. Generally took place from roughly mid 1970 to 2000. Over that 30-year span China opened up, and the Iron Curtain fell. And that’s when their ruling classes started to incorporate capitalism to serve and enrich themselves. While placating the masses for a short while.
However you want to describe their oppressive authoritarian governing structures. Leninism (ironic because it never resembled Lenin’s misguided vision) or Maoism, they weren’t capitalist initially. But that’s the thing with authoritarians. They aren’t committed left or right in any meaningful sense. But ultimately whatever they think will secure their power. Which succinctly describes Hitler, Lenin/Stalin, Mao, and many of the wealthy in Western nations too. They’re enemies of consent. It’s also why power should NEVER be concentrated like that. You get people committing atrocities in your name. And very little power to stop it.
Left libertarian/anarchist here. Having markets And being capitalists are not the same thing. It’s possible to have markets without being capitalist.
There was no sharp transition. Russia and China have never been communist nor will they ever be communist. But their transition from oppressive states ruled by the bloody hands of the vanguard party. To oppressive States ruled by state capitalist oligarchs either enabled by the former Vanguard party. Or serving at the blessing of the current Vanguard party. Generally took place from roughly mid 1970 to 2000. Over that 30-year span China opened up, and the Iron Curtain fell. And that’s when their ruling classes started to incorporate capitalism to serve and enrich themselves. While placating the masses for a short while.
However you want to describe their oppressive authoritarian governing structures. Leninism (ironic because it never resembled Lenin’s misguided vision) or Maoism, they weren’t capitalist initially. But that’s the thing with authoritarians. They aren’t committed left or right in any meaningful sense. But ultimately whatever they think will secure their power. Which succinctly describes Hitler, Lenin/Stalin, Mao, and many of the wealthy in Western nations too. They’re enemies of consent. It’s also why power should NEVER be concentrated like that. You get people committing atrocities in your name. And very little power to stop it.