https://zeta.one/viral-math/

I wrote a (very long) blog post about those viral math problems and am looking for feedback, especially from people who are not convinced that the problem is ambiguous.

It’s about a 30min read so thank you in advance if you really take the time to read it, but I think it’s worth it if you joined such discussions in the past, but I’m probably biased because I wrote it :)

    • @LemmysMum
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      10 months ago

      Funny how using parentheses gets you the same answer as if implicit multiplication doesn’t have a higher order… It’s almost like considering implicit multiplication as having an advanced order is an invalid assumption to make when looking at a maths equation.

      Edit: I’m wrong, read below.

      • Kogasa
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        110 months ago

        It’s not invalid or even uncommon. It’s just not necessarily correct. Implicit multiplication can be used intentionally to differentiate from explicit multiplication and context can suggest there is a difference in priority. For example, a/bc is likely to be read as a/(bc) because the alternative could be written less ambiguously as ac/b. If I wanted to convey to you that multiplication is associative, I might say ab*c = a*bc, and you’d probably infer that I’m communicating something about the order of operations. But relying on context like this is bad practice, so we always prefer to use parentheses to make it explicit.

        • @LemmysMum
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          10 months ago

          It’s only ambiguous if you don’t read left to right. That’s a literacy issue not a mathematics one.

          • Kogasa
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            310 months ago

            It’s definitely not a mathematics issue. This all concerns only notation, not math. But it’s not a literacy issue either. It’s ambiguous in that the concept of a correct order of operations itself is wrong.

            • @LemmysMum
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              10 months ago

              Notation is read left to right, reading it in any other order is automatically incorrect. Just like if you read a sentence out of order you won’t get it’s intention. Like I said, if you actually follow the rules it’s almost like implicit multipication having a higher order doesn’t work, which makes it illigitimate mathematics.

              • Kogasa
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                110 months ago

                It’s not left to right. a+b*c is unambiguously equal to a+(b*c) and not (a+b)*c.

                • @LemmysMum
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                  10 months ago

                  You determine processing order by order of operations then left to right. Always have. Even in your example, that is the left-most highest order operand, nothing ambiguous about it.

                  • Kogasa
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                    110 months ago

                    So it’s “higher operands first, then left to right.” I agree. But you presuppose that e.g. multiplication is higher than addition (which, again, I agree with). But now they say implicit multiplication is higher than explicit multiplication. You apparently disagree, but this has nothing to do with “left to right” now.