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The ruling and order are the latest developments in a long-running lawsuit spearheaded by Republican-led states.
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A victory for bullshit, disinformation and conspiracy theories by a Trump-appointed judge. Just great.
Absolute insanity. Republican victimization culture is out of control.
For the record, I am pro vaccine, I was very pro mask during COVID, and I strongly supported the various lockdown and masking policies. If anything I felt they often didn’t go far enough, prioritizing continuity of business over public health. For the most part I stand by those positions. The question here is not the validity of anti-maskers or anti-vaxxers, or the question that their visibility can do harm to society. I believe it is pretty obvious that such groups did some serious harm and cost a lot of lives.
The question here is whether the government should be coordinating with technology platforms to suppress speech it disagrees with or considers harmful. And I think the answer is hell no. Even if they requests in the COVID era were helpful, this is not a good thing for government to be doing.
Go back to the 9/11 era. It was a similar situation, just with the parties reversed. Then a Republican government was saying limits on civil liberties were essential for national security, and opposition to these policies help terrorists. Now a Democratic government was saying limits on civil liberties were necessary for public health and opposition to these policies spreads disease. The merits of these two positions are irrelevant. What matters is that a free American people should have the opportunity to make that judgment for themselves, not have the “wrong” answer suppressed before they even see it. Because if we suppress the ‘wrong’ anti-vax today, then we open the door to suppress the ‘right’ answer tomorrow.
If American people are such sheep that they must be protected from ‘wrong’ ideas, then the answer is not censorship, it is education. If we are that stupid, that we need to be treated like children, then we need to very quickly and with great urgency figure out why our educational system is failing to teach critical thinking and fix it immediately.
I’d largely agree if it was as simple as people being allowed to make wrong choices… But its much more than that. Nefarious actors have literally weaponized disinformation on social media in attempts to sow distrust, animosity, and general social unrest, and that absolutely needs to be addressed beyond just ‘better education’. Governments have the challenge of balancing the peoples civil rights with maintaining a healthy and relatively orderly society… I’m all for free speech but weaponized disinformation is a legitimate threat that shouldn’t be downplayed. IMO.
weaponized disinformation is a legitimate threat that shouldn’t be downplayed
If anything, I’d like to see this be made one of the more important issues by our politicians. It really bugs me that, after all the attacks on our society by bad actors using actual disnfo campaigns, there really isn’t anyone making it a major campaign issue (correct me if I’m wrong!). These bad actors are using our obsession with free speech as a weapon against us, fighting a war that our government doesn’t appear to give two shits about. I really believe we can figure a way to fight back without stepping on freedom’s toes. I mean, we’re supposed to be fucking America for chrissakes, we can figure this out!
the answer is not censorship, it is education
Have you been paying attention to what the “free speech” party is doing to education?
This is not a partisan issue and I am not taking a partisan position. I’m not endorsing or defending Republicans or anti-vaxxers. GOP does a lot of crappy stuff. That doesn’t automatically mean I should line up to support every single thing the Democrats do. We need better education. We need less censorship. These are two separate unrelated issues.
I’m more concerned about book bans than giving misinformation a loudspeaker. I used to be what you would call a “free speech absolutist”. No longer - we’ve seen “free speech” weaponized in abhorrent ways.
Once again, my position and my post were non-partisan.
I am 100% against book bans. I’m 100% against ‘suppression of ideas on social media’.I also think the cure feeds the disease. The second someone in authority says ‘you musn’t say that’ or ‘you musn’t believe that’ or ‘that idea is dangerous’, you create the conditions for weaponized misinformation to flourish. Doesn’t matter if you’re right or wrong. The instant you classify a position as unacceptable, a whole host of people (many of them stupid) will adopt that position for no reason other than that they were told not to. They’ll say ‘the establishment told me not to do this, there must be something here that I want that they want for themselves’.
Look at coronavirus. Yes there was TONS of weaponized misinformation. But the way our culture made it unacceptable to even question the status quo helped spread that. Republicans (and idiots) accused the government of a power grab, treading on civil liberties, using a fancy flu as an excuse to grab power. I don’t personally agree with that take, but if you suddenly aren’t allowed to say or share it, that puts a LOT of legitimacy to the ‘trying to grab power’ argument. First they come for your freedom of movement or freedom to make your own medical decisions, next they come for your freedom of speech when you try to say otherwise!
I honestly believe the suppression efforts, if anything, only amplified the message they were trying to suppress.
And I’d point out- if the government has the authority to mute a loudspeaker, then what happens next time when the guy with the loudspeaker is correct? If we make suppression of speech a legitimate government power, who’s to say it will only be used for good?
I don’t think I mentioned any parties. While we’re here, though, without a doubt only one of them seems to be pushing for book bans, banning drag (free speech), restricting what people can do with their own bodies, make-believe legal cases with ultimate authority, etc all the while whining about the freedom to spread deadly lies. This is entirely partisan - this people the article discusses. Partisan. They are so extreme that I’m not falling for this being about the first amendment.
The government is allowed to “coordinate” with anyone it wants. The question is whether the government so coerced the social media companies so as to take away their free will. There’s no proof of anything close to that.
This injunction is a prior restraint on the government’s right to speak freely to its citizens. This is core first amendment, the type of injunction that shows up … well, I’m not sure one’s ever been upheld. In a sane world, the injunction is stayed immediately and reversed in language should make this Judge blush.
