For children’s health?!? Should’ve been banned years ago for the planet’s health 😡
If you ban it to save the children, you have the conservatives on your side.
If you ban it to save the planet, it becomes a leftist issue and people will resist the “wokeness”.Real conservatives, not proto-fascist populists or extreme neo liberals, would want to conserve the environment because they’d be interested in keeping the tradition of clean air and growing traditional crops. We see some of this in Teal movements (green/blue).
The Tories don’t care about saving the children unless it’s a means to enacting some kind of dystopian police state. I wonder what their are motivation here is.
So weird they are apparently doing it for the children. Maybe it’s for a bigger impact or something, but it seems questionable as it was always about the environment with disposable vapes.
It may be two pronged.
“For the children” is a classic “you sure you want to block this legislation, mate?” move.
And the big tabacco companies have been rapidly pivoting to target vaping at children (to set up lifetime consumers), since we’ve made amazing headway reducing smoking.Yeah there is definitely a problem with big tobacco taking advantage of children. This looks like a proper legislation that I stand for. However, it’s hard to not be skeptical as “for the children” is usually for malicious intents.
Sometimes you have to play the game to win, even if the game is not something you want in the first place.
It seems like targeting vaping at children has worked for them. The handful of millennials I know who vape are people who started smoking at ~14 years old before transitioning to vaping instead. I don’t personally know any millennials who went from being non-smokers to picking up vaping. And the millennials I know who vape all use the rebuildable, customisable ones, too.
The percentage of zoomers I see who vape is far, far higher. A lot of them have never smoked a cigarette in their lives, they just went straight to vaping. And it’s almost exclusively disposable vapes, too.
I think vaping is preferable to smoking cigarettes, but I think not doing either is ideal. And I’m obviously dead set against disposable vapes.
So yeah, in this case, “for the children” actually seems to be appropriate. And not that Sunak really gives a damn about the environment, but I think framing this as “for the children” rather than for environmental reasons is the right approach for a conservative government anyway; left-wing people will support it for environmental reasons anyway, but the government directly saying it’s for environmental reasons would probably upset a segment of right-wing people who think doing anything for the environment is “woke”. This way, it’s seen as a good thing for everyone (except the disposable vape buyers, I guess, but it is good for them, too, even if they don’t agree now).
Yeah they’re not banning vapes, and they don’t appear to be increasing the age of purchase.
The problem with disposable vapes is that their disposable. In the sense that you can physically throw them away not in the sense that they’re actually recyclable, not that we we will never know for sure because no one who has ever used one has ever put it in a bin, they just thrown it on the floor or in a canal if it all possible.
Yeah, sod the children.
Disposable vapes are such nonsense, loads of single use plastic, sold freely all over, not even that cheap considering the use, and nobody puts them in the bin! They’re just all over the floor everywhere.
They should be but in the bin. Because of the battery. In the UK many supermarkets and local authorities will dispose of them for free, so there still no excuse.
You forgot about “n’t”.
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Chucking away lithium batteries is also stupid, even if it’s disposed of properly.
- after one use
Yeah honestly the main thing I pity is that battery
Any place that sells a disposable lithium battery should be required to accept them back for recycling.
It’s called “rubbish” not “trash”.
Finally the Tories do something useful
Welcome to election year.
Like back in 2010, when they campaigned on heating allowances for OAP’s, which they didn’t bother to action until the 2015 election - by which time most of the people who voted that way had already died off!
None of them vape so they don’t care enough to block it. What will have happened is some civil servant will have suggested that it’s a good idea, and because no one wanted to block it they’re going to do it.
They just exist to make sure that laws that are enacted don’t affect any of their backroom backers. I guess disposable vape companies don’t have connections.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The latest changes would also introduce powers to stop refillable vapes being sold in a flavour marketed at children and to require that they be produced in plainer, less appealing packaging.
To help stop underage sales, additional fines will be brought in for any shops in England and Wales caught selling vapes illegally to children.
The announcement follows an initial consultation launched late last year by the UK government and devolved administrations to gauge public attitudes to measures being proposed to reduce levels of smoking and vaping.
Deborah Arnott, chief executive of Ash, said that the “government’s strategy is the right one: stop smoking initiation, support smokers to quit…, while protecting children by curbing youth vaping”.
Dr Camilla Kingdon, president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, said the organisation was “thrilled to see the government take the first necessary steps to create a smoke-free generation”.
Trading Standards officers also say more resources are needed to help crack down on rogue retailers, and it may take some time and a different range of policies to stop vapes with damaging illegal content coming into the UK and reaching children.
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There’s 1hr 20 minutes of video there. Is there a written article or transcription anywhere? Or a summary?
Second video summary:
The video discusses how disposable vapes reflect the priorities of contemporary capitalism. It explores how industries are increasingly designing products and services to cultivate addiction and eliminate consumer choice. This includes tactics like the razor and blade model, restrictive patents, and subscription services that lock customers into long-term relationships. While governments regulate some addictive products, they often fail to curb exploitative practices that undermine competition. Disposable vapes exemplify how corporations have optimized business models around addiction and behavioral manipulation.
Something interesting this passage highlights is how companies in diverse industries from vaping to software to insulin have adopted similar strategies originally used by industries like tobacco and gambling. These strategies are designed to establish captive customer bases through addiction, lack of alternatives, and high switching costs.
Brilliant, thank you!
First video summary: The video discusses vaping and analyzes its health effects compared to smoking cigarettes. It explains how vapes work on a technical level by heating liquid that contains nicotine. Nicotine is highly addictive as it affects the brain’s reward system and causes a rapid release of dopamine. Newer vapes use nicotine salts which allow for higher nicotine levels without throat irritation, potentially increasing addiction risks. While vaping may be less harmful than smoking, it still delivers nicotine which can have long term health impacts and is particularly concerning among youth. An interesting point was how nicotine salts allowed vapes to satisfy nicotine cravings more effectively like cigarettes, fueling their rise in popularity.
Brilliant, thank you again!
https://www.rsph.org.uk/about-us/news/nicotine--no-more-harmful-to-health-than-caffeine-.html
Nicotine is no more harmful than caffeine by itself. It’s not even really what gets people addicted, the habit is.
Let’s focus on what the real issue here is. Pollution from disposable vapes.
For the chicken ™️
What a typo. I’m not charging it .
That noise you can hear in the background is organised crime celebrating. Again.
vaping was introduced by, spread by, and popularised among the youths by the acts of the government and the people behind the government, it is not enough to merely suggest that their acts now justify anything, they wish to ruin the youths and create a useless generation
ok looks like lemmys hard against vaping, as a smoker and bi curious vaper, why the beef? it helped me quit smoking for a while but i suck at quitting, is it worse than cigarettes, can someone link sources? i genuinely thought it was healthier than smoking
being against disposable vapes does not equal being against vaping; I sort of can’t believe this needs to be explained: the environmental cost of disposable vapes is preposterous, they should’ve been banned from day one. if they want to make it about the children: whatever gets it done, but I want it done because buying something like that when it is explicitly meant to be thrown away is outrageous.
i sort of cant believe i just asked a question, calm tf down ok youre passionate, but theres a huge difference between a disposable vape and 40-50 cigarette butts, lets go for the lesser evil right?
Vapes use a significant amount of non renewable materials such as lithium batteries and plastics. These are then just thrown away and often explode in waste processing centres
How is letting battery chemicals seep into the water table, and plastics in the ground “the lesser evil”?
Its more hate for disposable single use vapes than vaping in general. On the other hand you also have people making stupid big clouds which piss people off.
Vaping is better than smoking but its still not good for you
I’ve used an e-cig of sorts for about 10 years - but I think fully disposable ones are stupid. Why are we throwing a working rechargeable battery, circuit board etc in the bin repeatedly?
From previous sealed battery units, or disposable coil units or combined tank/coil ends, I got so stressed out by the wastage (even after finding ways to clean, dry burn, refill and extend the life of them) that I got a rebuildable atomiser, and a unit with replaceable batteries.
My waste is now 5cm of very thin wire, and 3cm x 0.5cm of cotton wadding, ~10 times a year.
Due to bit of shoddy manifacturing, and cheap corner-cutting, there’s also a likely point of failure on the USB port or power button, so assume additional waste of 1 circuit board and plastic box per year.
But, assuming someone uses 1 disposable vape a week? A day? That’s 52 to 365 perfectly functioning rechargeable batteries being thrown in the bin each year, along with the same amount of circuit boards and plastic tubes.
The objection is to disposable vapes. That the anti-vaping lobby gets a boost from them is just another reason to hate them if you see vaping as the means to make smoked tobacco obsolete, as I do.
They’re an environmental nightmare and they are marketed at kids, not just people who are trying to give up smoking. Don’t get me wrong, if kids are going to experiment with nicotine (and some of them inevitably will) then it’s much better they do it with vapes than cigarettes. But that is not a reason to market vapes to children, nor to have batteries discarded several hundred charge cycles before they’re dead, nor to litter the planet with masses of single-use plastic.
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I didn’t say it was gonna work, this measure is window dressing and an appeasement for the hand-wringing, what a’bout a’children brigade.
You want to help children? How about proper healthcare and education.
Banning substances and devices simply creates a black market and a job for our moronic and punitive criminal justice system.
This article neatly sums up the British attitude to substances.
