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A judge sentenced the parents of a Michigan school shooter to at least 10 years in prison Tuesday for failing to take steps that could have prevented a “runaway train” — the killing of four students in 2021.
Jennifer and James Crumbley are the first parents convicted in a U.S. mass school shooting. They were found guilty of involuntary manslaughter after prosecutors presented evidence of an unsecured gun at home and indifference toward the teen’s mental health.
Ethan Crumbley drew dark images of a gun, a bullet and a wounded man on a math assignment, accompanied by despondent phrases. Staff at Oxford High School did not demand that he go home but were surprised when the Crumbleys didn’t volunteer it during a brief meeting.
Later that day, on Nov. 30, 2021, the 15-year-old pulled a handgun from his backpack and began shooting. Ethan, now 17, is serving a life sentence for murder and other crimes.
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They didn’t know specifically when and where their son was going to commit mass murder, but every single sign was there and they either willfully ignored those signs or encouraged him along the way. I hope they get those 10 years minimum.
Not only did they encourage him, the bought him the gun in the ammo, and trained him how to use it.
Then how do you charge the kid as an adult? If you treat the kid as a child it makes sense to me to look at the parents for negligence. But if you think the kid is legally responsible to be tried as an adult, how do the prosecutors also go after the parents?
Multiple adults are tried and convicted for different roles in the same crimes all the time.
Yeah, but it’s weird when you 2 adults are tried for basically parental negligence of a minor, but that minor was tried as an adult. So if the minor is being tried as an adult, how can the parents be tried for not taking care of their minor? If the kid was tried as a kid this would make more sense to me.
Personally I think he’s too young to be tried as an adult and it’s obvious that his negligent parents both ignored his cries for help AND encouraged him to use weapons that the law prohibits minors from owning.
But on the other hand, they weren’t the ones that shot up the school, and he does pose a threat to society. If anything this case illustrates how messed up and convoluted the juvenile justice system is.
Not just the juvenile system but the system as a whole. A popular example is the family from the Making A Murderer documentary. The uncle and nephew were borh tried and convicted (separately) of the same murder but in each trial, the prosecutor gave wildly different descriptions of how the murder occurred so that it would better fit the forced, false confession from the nephew in his case and the evidence found at the scene in the other.
I think the PBS documentary on Kip Kinkel is also interesting: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kinkel/
There’s no parents to charge because they were murdered, but the sister wants him to have an option for release after identifying the mental health issues and rehabilitation. But he has 111 years without parole. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kinkel/trial/letter.html
I think these are the types of cases that make liberal leaning folks take a really ironic position. We talk about ending the prison industrial complex, focusing on rehabilitation, etc… But school shooting that in some way is predicated on right wing 2nd amendement rights, let’s lock up as many people as we can for as long as we can, and screw juvenile courts for juveniles while we’re at it.
i don’t see how that is an ironic or contradictory stance?
people who are a threat to themselves or society need to be locked up, monitored and rehabilitated.
simultaneously we need to repair the way we monitor and rehabilitate people because there is a need to do that in society.
Why, what is the liberal option for dealing with a mass murderer in the system that we currently have?
They were charged with involuntary manslaughter. I would assume similar charges would be brought if similar actions happened between roommates.
Mass shooter: voices in my head are telling me to kill people.
Roommate: I’m gonna just ignore that. Hey, you wanna learn how to shoot? Let’s buy you a gun!
Personally I’m not a big fan of children being tried as adults in general but that’s not really relevant I just don’t want it to seem like I’m defending that. Being tried as an adult doesn’t mean “this child has the mental capacity of an adult and should be treated as such,” it’s about the crimes he committed. If he was emancipated I could see your argument being a defense for the parents but he wasn’t.
Why would the crime committed have any bearing on whether the defendant should be tried as a minor or adult? If that were the case, the opposite should be possible too, like an adult that commits a crime so dumb or so poorly that they should be tried as a juvenile.
The distinction is (or should be) about the mental capacity of the perpetrator. Prosecutors just love to do it so they appear to be “tough on crime” for the next election.
Why would the crime committed have any bearing on whether the defendant should be tried as a minor or adult?
Because our legal system is set up to stroke justice boners and not to rehabilitate criminals.
If that were the case, the opposite should be possible too, like an adult that commits a crime so dumb or so poorly that they should be tried as a juvenile.
That’d be an insanity plea.
The distinction is (or should be) about the mental capacity of the perpetrator. Prosecutors just love to do it so they appear to be “tough on crime” for the next election.
I wholeheartedly agree.
Yes, anyone saying this sets a bad precedent for parents being charged for crimes committed by their children aren’t familiar with the case.
The parents willfully ignored glaring red flags. Their son regularly told them he heard voices telling him to kill. He would draw pictures of himself killing people. What did they do with that info? They bought him a gun. It’s not unlike an employer ignoring gigantic safety issues and then getting in legal trouble when people finally die.
It’s not unlike an employer ignoring gigantic safety issues and then getting in legal trouble when people finally die.
Except these parents actually got the punishment they deserved.
We do need to fix the current problem with a lack of corporate accountability.
