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Somebody has made an affordable, good quality wireless finger trackball - Review of Nulea m505/m505b - Lemmy.ca
lemmy.caI wanted to share this thing I found because it is great. I think it is newly
available. On amazon reviews, forum posts, blogs, youtubes and all other sources
of information, nothing is found dating prior to March 2023. I do not recall
seeing it before. I have used photos already available online if they were
adequate. I took some original photos to show details not captured by others.
### Contents Here are the sections of this article with a brief summary. Basics
- Price and value: Good luck getting a cheaper trackball! Amazing. - m505 vs
m505b: Difference between models is the “b” model has an annoying light ring
around the ball. Design - Shape and feel: A comfortable, quality feeling finger
trackball. Mode buttons show attention to detail. - Aesthetics: Look OK overall,
not too “gamer”.
- Buttons and scroll: left + right + forward + back + scroll/middleclick = 5
buttons. All except right are thumb-operated. Geography is reasonable and they
all work properly. Click is good. Software programmable on linux. - m505b light:
I find this kind of light very obnoxious. Could have been worse. - m505 vs Sanwa
Gravi: Device is either a clone of Sanwa Gravi or actually manufactured by the
same people. Function - Tracking experience: Smooth, precise, adjustable. -
Wireless connection: 2.4g and Bluetooth both working better than expected on
linux. 2.4g dongle has comfortable home. - Power: USB-C rechargeable! Auto
power-off is 30 minutes and it gracefully wakes up when you need it again.
Battery life/quality unknown. Elsewhere and the future - Support: 18 or 24 month
warranty. Maybe. Unknown brand, not sure what future will bring. - Links: all
sources used and product websites. Includes archive.org [http://archive.org]
links for reviews posted by individuals. - License: CC-BY-NC 🔝 ## Basics ###
Price and value Summary: Good luck getting a cheaper trackball! Amazing. I have
used trackballs manufactured by by perimice, deft, kensington and logitec. Like
the worst person you’ve ever been on a first date with, I can’t help but make
comparison to my prior experiences. I tend toward the lower end of price range.
I have occasionally splurged on a mid-price device, always disappointing. Cost
has actually been inversely related to quality. That pattern remains unchanged
with this being by far the best trackball at around the lowest price you can
expect to find. It is almost to good to be true. List price is CA/US$40-45. Even
after you add Canadian sales tax, it is still cheaper in Canada which is quite
strange. Generally we pay premium price for stuff. US/Canada amazon links at
bottom. m505 package and contents
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source: watchmono [https://watchmono.com/e/nulea-m505] 🔝 ### m505 vs m505b
Summary: the “b” model has an annoying light ring around the ball. When I was
looking at these online I could not figure out if there was a difference between
the models. I wasn’t even sure if the different pages were distinct models or
maybe just different sellers. Only once I had it and was writing this that I
realized the difference: the ring of light around the ball. - m505 does not have
a light around the ball - m505b has a light around the ball Since I had ordered
the m505b and hate the light, I ordered the m505. Therefor I have both. I plan
on returning the m505b. m505 and m505b next to each other
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see also: m505b light 🔝 ## Design ### Shape and feel Summary: A comfortable,
quality feeling finger trackball. Mode buttons show attention to detail. Like a
lot of people, my first trackball was thumb-controlled. Thumb controlled
trackballs are more widely and cheaply available. They can also closely resemble
the experience of a traditional mouse with regards to button placement so the
learning curve is not high. After using it for a while, I found the thumb side
of my hand would get sore. I decided I wanted a finger-controlled ball and have
been looking for one I like. a hand on the m505
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source: watchmono [https://watchmono.com/e/nulea-m505] This device is pretty big
compared to a regular mouse but so are a lot of trackballs. You couldn’t make a
regular mouse this large because it would be too heavy. Also, because your
hand/wrist/arm are stationary when in use, you tend to let it drop and rest more
heavily. So the shape of the device becomes more important. My hand (small size
of medium and short fingers) rests fairly comfortably on this. Like with a lot
of devices I find my pinky and ring finger tend to curl up when not being used
which can cramp. I might try doing some sort of customization to add more bulk
and keep my fingers in a more comfortable position. The surface is matte. It has
pretty “good quality” feeling, whatever that means for a plastic thing. m505
front view
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source: watchmono [https://watchmono.com/e/nulea-m505] Also I will say that the
power, mode and DPI buttons on the bottom are reasonable to use. They are large
enough to press/move with a finger, have enough give and spring. I appreciate
this. bottom of m505
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This is a right-handed device. There is no indication of a left handed version
being available or planned. 🔝 ### Aesthetics Summary: Look OK overall, not too
“gamer”.
I don’t spend a lot of time gazing upon my input devices. Because of how much
time I spend touching it, I will put how it feels over how it looks. OTOH, I do
not love the “gamer” look and given the choice I’d rather have something far
away from that. This trackball is fine looking but not great. Reasonably
professional. I don’t expect to find a device that matches my style and works
properly anytime soon and it isn’t hideous so I am satisfied. If there were a
white version available, like nulea has for some other models, I would have
chosen that. 🔝 ### Buttons and scroll Summary: left + right + forward + back +
scroll/middleclick = 5 buttons. All except right are thumb-operated. Geography
is reasonable and they all work properly. Click is good. Software programmable
on linux. There are 5 buttons: - Right: On the far right side of the top face
All the others are located on the inside (left) face and manipulated with the
thumb. From top t o bottom they are: - Forward and Back - Scrollwheel (also
middle click) - Left outwards-facing side of m505
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source: watchmono [https://watchmono.com/e/nulea-m505] inwards-facing side of
m505
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source: watchmono [https://watchmono.com/e/nulea-m505] I find these buttons
intuitive to use. They are big enough that I don’t have to search for them. They
don’t feel squeaky or mushy or have other annoying tactile characteristics. If
you are new to trackballs, one hint is that not all trackballs come with a
scrolling mechanism. Some of them have unusual scrolling components not seen on
regular mice but which many people appreciate once getting used to them. Others
can only accomplish scrolling by means of an awkward combination like clicking a
button and moving the wheel. And you may have to implement/hack that yourself.
For me I definitely wanted a device with a good scroll. This works as I had
hoped. On linux, all the buttons worked as expected out of the box. I was able
to reprogram the function back and forward buttons using input-remapper
[https://github.com/sezanzeb/input-remapper/] which it a GUI program that
reliably works with just about everything (except some weird keyboard F keys).
It does not actually reprogram the mouse itself, just how the computer
interprets input. So it needs to be set up on every computer. I do not think the
actual mouse can be reprogrammed unfortunately. One thing I noticed having both
models is that input-remapper thinks they are the same. Mappings made to one are
applied to the other automatically. I don’t mind it since I want to use them the
same way. Typically you need to create mapping for every individual device. In
the manual, it says that the back/forward buttons do not work at all on Mac. I
was hoping to get something with a couple of extra function buttons. There is
room on the top for them. But we can’t have everything. 🔝 ### m505b light
Summary: I find this kind of light very obnoxious. Could have been worse. As
mentioned at the top, the difference between the m505 and m505b is the latter
has a decorative light. As I didn’t understand this I accidentally purchased the
m505b so I will say what I thought about it. The manufacturer seems to think
this is a major selling feature. I am bothered by devices with LEDs especially
those that have movement, flashing, throbbing etc. Do not understand the appeal
why have anything other than the dimmest light that lets you know the status. I
was worried that it would be always distracting me and because of the placement
I’d not be able to do anything to hide it. It gave me hope when I read one
review complaining it was “too dim”, at least it probably wouldn’t light up the
whole room. The decorative throbbing light is somewhat subtle and not annoying.
You can turn it off by holding down the right and left buttons at the same time.
You need to do that every time you turn it on. Which is annoying and will drain
the battery. You should only get the one with the light if you really want the
light all the time. There is a translucent white diffuser ring that surrounds
the ball. The light shines through this. Even when you turn the decorative
throbbing light off, you can see the red light from the optical tracking through
the ring. When I take the ball out, I see that the whole socket it made of the
white translucent plastic which optimizes the light transmission. It is possibly
more annoying than the slowly color-changing light because it is flashing on and
off all the time which the color changing sort of disguises. m505b socket with
light on
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how the light looks in the dark (with no tracking ball, with the ball, with the
ball + tracking light on): m505b decorative light turned on
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even just the tracking light is pretty bright due to the translucent white
plastic in the socket (without ball, with ball): m505b tracking light only
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I can see why a designer thought it looked cute to have an outline around the
ball though. When turned off it looks pretty slick. 🔝 ### m505 vs Sanwa Gra
Summary: Device is either a clone of Sanwa Gravi or actually manufactured by the
same people. The m505 is said to be a clone of the Sanwa Gravi, a Japanese
manufactured trackball. As far as I can, it tell is unavailable in Canada. On
amazon.com [https://www.amazon.com/SANWA-GMAWBTTB138/dp/B09Q8D6XL9/] the
wireless Gravi costs US$65. /u/_Rob_K_ on /r/Trackballs wrote a comparison
between these 2 devices: Sanwa Gravi and Nulea M505 (initial impressions)
[https://old.reddit.com/r/Trackballs/comments/122d845/sanwa_gravi_and_nulea_m505_initial_impressions/].
He included some side-by-side pictures. Nulea m505 next to Sanwa Gravi
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source: /u/_Rob_K_
[https://old.reddit.com/r/Trackballs/comments/122d845/sanwa_gravi_and_nulea_m505_initial_impressions/]
User Archie on Trackballs.EU [https://forum.trackballs.eu/viewtopic.php?t=137]
has the following gossip: > Actual manufacturer of Gravi is Dongguan Togran
Electronics Co., Ltd [http://www.togran.com/m/oem.html]. Interestingly, this
factory is also offering another variant with slightly more rounded casing,
different arrangement of buttons (one on the right side, but two above the wheel
on the left) and LED-illuminated ring around the ball, just like original MTE
had. This model
[https://www.globalsources.com/Bluetooth-mouse/trackball-mouse-1195596875p.htm]
is pictured unbranded, so it’s currently not clear if it will be marketed under
Sanwa label or some other brand. [Update by spring 2023: modified versions
appeared as Nulea M505 and ProtoArc EM03 models. The latter is reportedly made
by Shenzhen Seenda Technology Co., Ltd. [https://seendasz.en.alibaba.com/]] If I
understand properly, Archie is saying that that the Nulea and ProtoArc devices
are made by the same company as the similar Sanwa devices? I did find the
ProtoArc EM03 on amazon.com
[https://www.amazon.com/ProtoArc-Rollerball-Rechargeable-Connection-Windows-Black/dp/B0BWQ6P7KN]
at a list price of US$50. There is page on amazon.ca
[https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0C9QGTX6H/] but it is not available an there is no
price. They do look very similar to the m505b except for there is another light
in the scrollwheel. Like nulea, ProtoArc does not seem to put their products on
their website [https://www.protoarc.com/]. 🔝 ## Function ### Tracking
experience Summary: Smooth, precise, adjustable. The ball moves smoothly. It
does not stick or rub or jump or jitter or hesitate. It is not laborious to get
the pointer to a specific spot on the screen. It work as I would expect which
has been surprisingly difficult to say about trackballs from my experience. The
ball is 44mm which is medium-sized for a track ball. There are 3 small ball
bearings inside. They are white, I guess plastic. socket of m505 showing ball
bearings
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There is a DPI button on the bottom. It is said to have 200/400/800/1200/1600
DPI. I typically use a 1280x720 display. On the 200 dpi setting the mouse moves
about 1/3 across when flung. At 800 it just gets all the way across and since I
have no need for more than that I don’t put it higher.
socket of m505b, powered off
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I don’t game so I can’t comment. I saw some reviews saying it wasn’t great for
that. Also if you use a huge mega size display, no comment. 🔝 ### Wireless
connection Summary: 2.4G and Bluetooth both working better than expected on
linux. 2.4g dongle has comfortable home. I am a linux user and have tried both
2.4g and bt. They both work great. #### Bluetooth Usually I don’t use BT because
it is always annoying which could be due to hardware, user error, interference,
who knows what. In general I find with BT there is a lot of power off/on,
reconnecting, re-pairing, blah blah blah.
But I am impressed by this. I paired it without consulting the instructions by
just mashing the buttons and got it connected fairly quick. I tried it for about
2 days to test and had no problems once paired. I guess my computer is not as
badly set up as I thought. #### 2.4g 2.4g: I bought this because it had 2.4g.
That is what I want because it is generally reliable. I have had problems with
other devices failing to maintain a connection on this particular computer even
at very close range, but so far no issue. There is a place to keep the 2.4g
dongle on the bottom. It is not in a battery compartment or otherwise placed so
you must dismantle to access. Even with very short fingernails I can remove the
dongle from its home without use of a prying implement. It is a small detail but
it is rare to be able to say all that. I tested to see if the 2 devices would
use one another’s dongles. They did not. m505b with charging cable and 2.4g
dongle
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🔝 ### Power Summary: USB-C rechargeable! Auto power-off is 30 minutes and it
gracefully wakes up when you need it again. Battery life/quality unknown.
Charges via usb-c. This is very cool! Even a lot of pricier wireless trackballs
are still using AA or AAA batteries. It becomes expensive to run the device over
time because they run out quickly. Those which recharge are commonly on micro
USB. The documentation included warns against using fast charge to avoid killing
the battery. The included USB A-to-C cable is about 6’ with a nice feeling thick
housing. It has a very low power according to the app on my phone. However my
phone doesn’t even recognize a lot of older model USB C cables so I am not sure
how reliable it is. I can’t comment on the long-term battery life. I charged it
once since it arrived but it wasn’t dead yet at the time. You can use it while
it is plugged in charging which is nice. It has an auto poweroff which is not
obnoxiously short unlike some other wireless input devices. I’ve had devices
that turn themselves off after 10 seconds. According to the manual, it turns off
after 30 minutes inactivity which sounds reasonable to me. You click any button
and it restores itself immediately. Even with BT I wasn’t annoyed by having to
wait for it to re pair. I also didn’t experience having to connect another
device or use the keyboard to get BT going again, which is one thing that has
really stopped me from using BT input devices. 🔝 ## Elsewhere and the future
### Support Summary: 18 or 24 month warranty. Maybe. Unknown brand, not sure
what future will bring. The manufacturer, nulea, does not list this product on
their website [https://nulea.com/collections/all]. There is no documentation
available online that I can find. There is a manual for the M501
[https://manuals.plus/nulea/m501-wireless-trackball-mouse-manual.pdf] model
which from the outside looks the same except for being thumb-operated. The nulea
website indicates either an 18 month [https://nulea.com/pages/brand-story] or 2
year [https://nulea.com/pages/customer-support] warranty on their products, if
you register within 30 days of purchase, and if you get it from amazon. I
haven’t tried to contact them. The manual lists 2 email addresses by way of
electronic contact: [email protected] [[email protected]] and
[email protected] [[email protected]]. Searching for the first
finds this webpage: 联系我们 | cet product service
[https://en.cetproduct.com/blank-10] which also has the same mailing information
as the manual. I do not see any indication that a replacement 2.4g fob could be
obtained if the original one was lost. OTOH at least BT works properly. A brief
manual is included in the box that contains the small amount of information
required to operate. It includes English, German, French, Italian and Spanish.
It looks like it might be reasonable to disassemble this to repair or modify it.
There are 2 phillips head screws visible on the bottom and the plastic doesn’t
look like you’d have to break it to take it apart. I am not the right person to
test this out. If that is of interest, see user Archie’s post on Trackballs.EU
[https://forum.trackballs.eu/viewtopic.php?t=137]. I did not locate more
detailed technical information, disassembly, diagrams etc. Perhaps they will
become available. back of m505 box with basic specs and contact info
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back of m505b box with basic specs and contact info
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🔝 ### Links Summary: all sources used and product websites. Includes
archive.org [http://archive.org] links for reviews posted by individuals. ####
blogs, forums, reviews Here are a few reviews I found. I sent them all to
archive.org [http://archive.org] in case you find this in the future and links
are dead. * Sanwa Gravi and Nulea M505 (initial impressions)
[https://old.reddit.com/r/Trackballs/comments/122d845/sanwa_gravi_and_nulea_m505_initial_impressions/]
(archive.org
[https://web.archive.org/web/20230712005416/https://old.reddit.com/r/Trackballs/comments/122d845/sanwa_gravi_and_nulea_m505_initial_impressions/])
by /u/_Rob_K_ on /r/Trackballs. A pretty long review especially comparing to the
Sanwa Gravi. * クローンのワイヤレストラックボール『Nulea M505』
[https://watchmono.com/e/nulea-m505] (archive.org
[https://web.archive.org/web/20230712005346/https://watchmono.com/e/nulea-m505])
watchmono.com [http://watchmono.com], looks like a Japanese language tech review
website. good pictures. * Sanwa Gravi 400-MAWBTTB138
[https://forum.trackballs.eu/viewtopic.php?t=137] (archive.org
[https://web.archive.org/web/20230712005714/https://forum.trackballs.eu/viewtopic.php?t=137])
by user Archie on Trackballs.EU [http://Trackballs.EU] * Nulea M505 quick first
impressions : Trackballs
[https://old.reddit.com/r/Trackballs/comments/12cs9mf/nulea_m505_quick_first_impressions/]
(archive.org
[https://web.archive.org/web/20230712005902/https://old.reddit.com/r/Trackballs/comments/12cs9mf/nulea_m505_quick_first_impressions/])
by /u/henrebotha on /r/Trackballs * Nulea M505 - Spoiled reviewer?
[https://old.reddit.com/r/Trackballs/comments/1256pk4/nulea_m505_spoiled_reviewer/]
(archive.org
[https://web.archive.org/web/20230712012811/https://old.reddit.com/r/Trackballs/comments/1256pk4/nulea_m505_spoiled_reviewer/])
by /u/kitebok on /r/Trackballs. A review from someone who didn’t like it. ####
commercial Links (tracking codes removed): - amazon.ca: m505
[https://www.amazon.ca/Trackball-Rechargeable-Adjustable-Connection-Compatible/dp/B0BKLGJPQT/]
CA$43 +tax (free shipping, no import fees) - amazon.ca: m505b
[https://www.amazon.ca/Trackball-Rechargeable-Rollerball-Adjustable-Connection/dp/B0BR7KX422/]
CA$39 +tax (free shipping, no import fees) - amazon.ca: search for nulea
[https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=Nulea] this company also makes similar looking
trackballs in other shapes and styles if you do not want a finger ball -
amazon.com m505
[https://www.amazon.com/Trackball-Rechargeable-Adjustable-Connection-Compatible/dp/B0BKLGJPQT/]
US$44 (at time of writing on sale US$38) - amazon.com m505b
[https://www.amazon.com/Trackball-Rechargeable-Adjustable-Connection-Compatible/dp/B0BR7KX422]
US$40 - amazon.com nulea store
[https://www.amazon.com/stores/Nulea/page/9A5A7783-BE52-47EE-84BD-B6B60AEFAC62]
- nulea.com [https://nulea.com/] lists almost none of their products If you
search for this items on amazon you may find this case for the Palm Pilot m505.
This is a different product: PDA keyboard case for Palm Pilot m505
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source: amazon.ca [http://amazon.ca] 🔝 ### License Creative Commons
Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International
[http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/] 🔝
Somebody has made an affordable, good quality wireless finger trackball - Review of Nulea m505/m505b
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