Reminds me of my wife, before our first kid was born: “I don’t care what he’s gonna be, straight, gay, trans, but so help him God if he’s going to be a vegetarian!”
fucking hell I hate the internet
The fuck is a Zionist?
If you say you’re a boy does that make you a boy?
What’s the rule?
Rules are made up.
And points don’t matter.
Hmm… 🤔
Critics of anti-Zionism have argued that opposition to Zionism can be hard to distinguish from antisemitism, and that criticism of Israel may be used as an excuse to express viewpoints that might otherwise be considered antisemitic. In discussion of the relationship between antisemitism and anti-Zionism, “one theory holds that anti-Zionism is no more than veiled anti-Semitism”. This is contrasted with the theory “that criticism of Israeli politics has been discredited as anti-Zionism, and thus linked with anti-Semitism, in order to prevent such criticism”.
They’ve done a great job pretending disliking colonialism and genocide is antisemetic.
Luckily only an idiot conflates the two anymore.
I’ll be the first to admit that I’m an idiot. But in what little defense I may have, I am trying to learn the difference. I keep getting hung up on who is who because every time I turn around there is a different name being used for a particular group and I can’t for the life of me keep them all straight.
All I do know for certain is that religion is bad because of this and many more reasons.
It’s not a religious conflict, though. It’s about the land and about people wanting to enrich themselves on the backs of a native population. And also about the right-wing zealots who want to use the resentment against Israel for their own powerhungry benefits.
Religion or nationality as justifications for conflict (armed and leogal) are almost always just pretend and smokescreens to make it harder to spot who is benefitting from the conflict. It’s always about power and money, never about the actual religion.
But isn’t the underlying reason for the land based on religious beliefs of “God-given” ownership?
Hmm. While reading up on who is who, I see that I might have had my sides mixed up again.
Ok, so here is what I’m getting so far today:
- Palestine is a territory that’s been around for thousands of years, but has suffered many conflicts with many countries.
- Israel has been around since 1948.
- Israel has been forcing Palestinians out of their land over the years.
- Palestine is internationally recognized, while Israel is not.
- Palestine is a country of Arabs, while Israel is a territory of Jews.
- Zionism is basically an Israeli belief and the idea that if you don’t agree with it then you hate Jews — I think this is where my confusion showed its head in my original comment.
- Israel is considered one of the largest economies in the Middle East — probably why everyone sides with them?
Aside of the recent atrocities of Israel, am I missing anything else? I do appreciate y’all’s patience in explaining this to me.
It’s a bit inaccurate. The conflict has been going on since at least the end of WWI, when zionists started moving into Palestine and the British tried to play both sides, fucking everything up for everyone before heading out.
Both sides feel that the other side is the unreasonable one. But after Hamas did their brutal, inhuman massacre on October 7th, the retaliation by Israel’s rulers have been blown sooo much outeof proportion. Partly, because Netanyahu and his goons will get prison sentences once the dust settles. So they escalate.
This video is the most unbiased and comprehensive explanation I’ve found until now
- And creatintg ghetto’s for the ones still around
- Other way around. Israel is a nation recognized by the UN, all of the western world, and a lot of the rest of the world. Palestine is an ensemble of occupied territories for the international community.
- There are Arabs in Israel, which is the excuse used to deny that Israel is in a state of apartheid.
- No, Zionism is the belief that Palestine(Judaea) belongs to the Jewish people and should be aJewish state.
- The US sides with them (and so do many US’ “allies”) for racist, religious, and military reasons. Without that support, Israel wouldn’t exist, and neither would its economy obviously.
You forgot to edit out that last part that gives the game away that calling anti-zionism antisemitism is just a cheap tactic to discredit criticism of Israeli crimes against humanity.
I genuinely didn’t know better until my conversation with Deceptichum and Prinebutt. I’m still learning on this topic. It’s not coming easy to me for some reason. I do understand Israel is committing war crimes and acts of genocide. That’s pretty obvious. It’s the subtle nuances that I’m struggling with, and it honestly confuses me sometimes.
The issue is a lot of antizionists are also antisemites. We shouldn’t have to parse through the rhetoric, but sadly, we sometimes do.
Are you kidding me? Antisemites love Israel!
They don’t see a country of jews, they see a concentration camp with a UN vote that also does the work of killing Arabs for them until papa J comes back!
Ironically, this is the exact sort of thing I was talking about. Thanks for giving a demonstration.
Facts aren’t antisemitic, and the dynamic I described is something Israel’s politicians are well aware of when they donate to so called “christian zionists” in the west.
They don’t actually want to be a bastion for the defense of jewish kind, in fact there are few people they hate more than jews who have actually faced antisemitism. They call holocaust survivor families soap people and fund politicians like MTG hoping that the more antisemites that come to power in the west the more they can lure more recruits to israel as fresh bodies for the war against Arab people being allowed to exist.
Do you know the settlers intend to take everything between the Euphrates and the Nile? You’re claiming I’m the antisemitic one for being against a state that treats holocaust survivor families like garbage and literally has its own modern version of Lebensraum.
Fuck off “tHaNkS fOr DuH dEmOnStRaTiOn” you apartheid apologist fuckass.
I wouldn’t qualify as a Zionist, nor do I support apartheid states.
Try again?
And all Zionists are antisemites.
I’d say that’s a far larger issue than a few nazis pretending to be “antizionists.”
What percentage of Jews are Zionists? I don’t know but I think it might be a bit stupid to suggest most Jews hate themselves.
Zionism was literally invented by Christian antisemites in the UK - Zionists are the ultimate kapos.
It’s very easy to be self-hating when you’ve been brainwashed into channeling that self-hate into militarism and nationalism.
So what percentage of Jews are you claiming hate themselves?
I need solid numbers here, which will be easy to fins, if what you say is true.
It’s really simple - count the Jewish Zionists. Would that be difficult for you?
Zionism was literally invented by antisemites. No surprises that Israel is still being armed and supported by the very countries where antisemitism has always been at it’s historically most virulent.
