PROTIP: Opposition to interventionism in the Middle East does not have to equate to support for the currently extant states therein.
May the ayatollah suffer as he dies and any gods witnessing his death remind him of the pain he brought to the women of his country.
I stand with the people of Iran suffering under the boot of their evil governance
Can always count on OP to beat the shit out of a straw caricature of everyone to the left of Henry Cuellar.
lmao.
“I know how I’ll support the anti-imperial cause! By supporting one of the longest imperial projects of human history predating even the civilization that gave us the etymological root of imperialism!”
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By “actual Iranians” are you referring to the monarchist expats or people who actually live there? jw
The people who actually live there and are murdered by the regime in large numbers.
Loving the downvotes on an easily verified event. Some of us followed the issue while it was ongoing; some of us have been following Iranian politics for years. Sorry for pointing out that your favorite ‘anti-imperialist’ regime is murderous and oppressive. :)
favorite ‘anti-imperialist’ regime is murderous and oppressive
I didn’t even realize that was debatable, especially after the protest murders and executions.
Don’t worry, you can still find plenty of tankies simping or "whatabout"ing for the Islamic Republic. They just file it away like Tiananmen Square - something to be excused or downplayed or deflected from.
I have a bunch of friends there from college and plenty of them have issues with their government, some of them even live in America now. 100% of them have way more of a problem with Israels genocide than anything their government is doing.
A whataboutism on an unrelated issue using “my Iranian friends”, no less! About what I expected after being confronted with the actual mass protests against the regime and the murderous response from the Islamic Republic, lol.
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lol whataboutism, I’m not debating you
Cool, thanks for not disputing anything I’ve said by bringing up unrelated issues. Glad you agree that the Islamic Republic is a murderous regime that deserves to be toppled, and I’m especially glad you agreed without going off on any tangents about unrelated issues to say “BUT OTHER PLACES BAD TOO”, or by trying to initially insinuate that “Real Iranians” aren’t against the regime. :)
I’m not super keen on toppling governments because “democracy” that you deliver to people by destroying their government is not democracy it is an occupation government. We saw this with Iraq and Afghanistan, I don’t know how you people refuse to learn, that is the real evidence of bad faith in this conversation.
I don’t live in Iran, or even in Russia right now so undermining those specific governments is not high on my agenda (I’m not on state department payroll).
I’ll just continue to direct my energies towards shittalking the bloodthirsty dictatorship where I live, the United States.
I’m not super keen on toppling governments because “democracy” that you deliver to people by destroying their government is not democracy it is an occupation government.
I didn’t realize that an attempted toppling by the Iranian people, put down by overwhelming force, including widespread use of sexual violence, was an attempt at an ‘occupation government’. But it’s unsurprising to hear such an opinion from a defender of the Islamic Republic.
I’ll just continue to direct my energies towards shittalking the bloodthirsty dictatorship where I live, the United States.
And spending your energy defending bloodthirsty dictatorships elsewhere, apparently. :)
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To counter you anecdotal evidence: my partner fled from Iran 4 years ago and still has a lot of friends and family there. All of them would love see this regime fall, so much so, that her friends went out to protest One of them was arrested, tried and found guilty of corruption on earth. He was to not leave the country for five years and was threatened with an even harsher punishment, if he took part in protests again. He took to the streets the day after his release.
These people hate their government with a burning passion. Doesn’t matter what Israel does, they would love to see this occupational regime fall.
Yeah, the Islamic Republic is awful literally every Iranian person I know agrees on that, and it sucks that America meddled in their government for so long before it. Hopefully something that isn’t a western puppet government takes its place and actually represents the people.
This support for fascism just shows how bad things are in the world and how there’s no hope.
It’s a logical reaction and I can understand it. I think having multiple imperialism poles is better than having one global imperialist power controlling everything. Of course this world situation is a far cry from anything even remotely desirable, but I’d still be more satisfied with a US loss against China, Russia, Iran etc than from a US win against them. An oligopoly is better than a monopoly.
Unfortunately we are stuck in the very unfortunate situation where the only viable alternatives are all fascists. I can understand the sentiment of supporting an opponent of the empire you are in, but people need to stop seriously supporting any empires.
