We as leftists, must organize in ways that match the fascists. Subversion of their goals is our goal. The class and culture war is in full effect and we must not be complacent. “It’s time to reapply what we call neighborhoods and start to trust our progressive neighbors. Circle the figurative wagons and figure it’s gonna be a long, painful de-evolution that could last for decades.”
One main issue with our progressive neighbors is they like to co-opt movements and take control of them and fight our class interests to protest the status quo.
I see what you’re saying. If progressives do this, what do you suggest? Are you left of progressives? Sorry, I’m new to actively participating in these types of conversations. I want to help fight the status quo, hang billionaires and take care of marginalized peoples.
I’m way left of progressives. They should have a voice but they need to understand this isn’t their movement to lead, most times they get in the way.
There aren’t enough leftist to be a movement. Accept less than perfect and you’ll get progress.
I’m a supporting of progressives but it’s the take over by mind leftist making the entire movement about sex and gender roles when there’s far bigger issues at play. I support these movements, but they coopting the left movement has made the right wing so powerful, even those who would be progressives have gone further right. I’m sick and tired of non European/american people been blown to bits to make shareholders richer while progressives talk about the “massive” difference they made in extending gay pride by 3 more days or some shit
It’s a privilege to not be the oppressed in our country. I hope you appreciate it as much as you make light of it.
But it’s not either or. Working together we can have both. But they take a differing amount of time and effort. Protecting oppressed people in this country is hard. Dismantling the military industrial complex and fighting against the billions of dollars at stake is just a touch harder. But if you want to keep people outside the country safe, you must first control the power inside this country.
How can you most quickly do that?
100% friend, the freedoms these novements give I’m absolutely for. I’m sorry. I guess what I mean was my issue is in the extremity of the movement. Give you an example, I’ve supported trans, lgbt, gay rights since before, it became a huge movement and still do. But I think the effects of corporation. Holidays and some other culture war issues distract from the much pressing topics. Are these topics pressing? Yes, but there are also less than 1% of the population. I’m ethnically south asian born in scotland, and we do things better than most but it’s hard to see people that look like me discriminated against or how medias potrayals entire groups as terrorist or savages while also teaching us history of “never again” this is my left wing foundation. I just want equal rights for all humans, regardless of caste, creed or sexual orientation.
You’re right, my friend, we need to work together and it will take time and effort. Everything you say I wholeheartedly agree with
Accept less than perfect
That sounds a lot like liberal ‘shut up and do as you are told’ People have done that for decades and the only people things get better for are the rich.
We don’t want perfection, we want equality and equity
And then you’ll continue to get nothing while your opposites succeed at the game. You think evangelicals don’t want perfect authoritarianism? Of course they do. But they’re smart enough to know that they can only get there inch by inch by working with the middle over time, and not seeming extreme.
You can either get over yourself and work strategically, or you can continue to fail against those that do.
And as your pride prevents the former, we slide farther right. But go on, stomp your feet about it. Maybe this time it’ll help.
Your comment still screams of BlueMAGA bullshit. Liberals are the biggest obstacles to progress and are enablers of fascism. They are toxic to movements
The entire left basically has been fucked over by any given faction of the left. Anarchists lose or fail to mobilize, state communists decide to start fighting the rest of the left before the revolution is even over and tend to leave gaps for authoritarian crackdowns, progressive liberals don’t actually want to overthrow capitalism (and have this tendency to survive revolutions better than dedicated anarchists and communists), trotskyists show up in Mexico with an ice pick in their kidneys…
We need to circle the wagons anyways. Are any of these things worse than fascism? We can fight each other when we’re done, but until then we can fly black, blue, and red flags together, and maybe we can try to find a works we’re all ok living in and make that instead of just fighting each other
Yes.
The system itself is trying to profit off of the failure of the system.
This is one reason why it is a flawed system. It can change tomorrow if we coordinate, but there will always be some dipshit that will buy anyway. Some dipshit that sees that they will be a standout if they are against the cause. The human love for things is too great.
Ah yes, more keyboard messaging while nothing changes. Top comment is a guillotine? 5$ says theyve never sharpened a blade. This country sucks.
Funny how the people actually making tips never show up in these threads to decry their miserable situation. Why do you think that is?
They must be the trillionaires bro, you cracked it, tipped jobs are broken and need to be nerfed because they’re so great.
I worked for tips for 15 years, it’s shit, pay people a living wage
Currently working for tips. I’d rather have a $2/hour cut from my current wage and no tips in exchange for steady hours, steady pay, and health insurance. Tips are a nice ego boost, but I can’t ever rely on it. I’m tipped so poorly lately I just use it on edibles and feed my bills and shit with my decent paychecks.
Because you don’t actually read any of these threads
You must not be reading these threads.
