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How can he just capitulate like this?!
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Bullshit, no capitulation. Colombian president refused to accept deportees by military transport on humane grounds. Both threatened tariffs, Trump ‘capitulated’ and agreed to put them back on commercial flights, which is how it always has been - Colombia accepting deportees. Don’t buy into this myth the media is creating.
I mean… he didn’t ban the flights in the first place. He just declared he would not accept his countrymen being treated poorly on return. I think the objection was packing them all in military planes instead of normal commercial flights your average person travels. It had more to do with mistreatment of their citizens in the process of repatriation, which is valid.
The citizens will still be mistreated. Why are you just blindly trusting Trump here?
Huh? What are you talking about? That’s not a statement trusting Trump. The headline implies the flights were rejected. They weren’t. Drink more coffee dude. It’s Trump’s propaganda that they were rejected.
The flights were originally rejected. He even put out a statement on it. Then he backtracked.
After he got what he wanted from Trump, who capitulated immediately because the threat to tarrif Columbian imports was a bluff. Deliberately bumping the cost of coffee would be political suicide.
Buddy, this is fascism. Political suicide isn’t a thing anymore.
The fascism persists only because it promises to be of benefit to its supporters.
Fascism falls apart when it fails to deliver them tangible benefits.
Trump’s coalition is a house divided, he cannot provide his billionaire sycophants with economic benefits without taking them away from his voting base, and he can’t do economic populism without disadvantaging the billionaires.
We’re already seeing this with the H1-B visa debate. Musk, Zuckerberg, and Thiel want them for the cheap exploitable labor, and non-rich Republicans want the program to end for both anti-immigrant and economic nationalism reasons.
If the Democrats were allowed to be competent then they’d be hammering on this contradiction 'til the Republicans lose all their electoral relevance, but they won’t because they’re faced with the same contradiction among their own supporters.
If the Trump Admin agreed not to transport people in handcuffs, that wouldn’t be a capitulation, but rather what Petro wanted. Remember the Trump Admin is going to spin literally every outcome as “a victory” while talking shit about the other guy, regardless of the reality of any negotiation outcome.
Of course it’s a capitulation. You do not negotiate with Nazis. They do not keep their word.
If the Nazis have grabbed your citizens, please take them back. Leaving them in the hands of Nazis is a cruelty of its own.
How do you expect that to be achieved?
Well, if they are flown there, take them no matter the circumstances. What else could I have possibly meant by that?
If they’re your citizens and they’ve been nabbed off the street in a hostile foreign country (USA) don’t make them suffer for your principles and let them end up in some camp or holding cell, because that’s what these nuts are gonna do. They 100% will be abused if they get rejected back out of Columbia, because that’s a clear sign no one cares about their well being.
I thought you meant before they were flown there. That’s why I asked.
Tbf for nations like Colombia, who have a very small GDP, it would be almost impossible to survive the orange asshole’s bullying.
Let’s see what’ll happen if/when he attacks a nation who’s in the same league as America.
#FuckTrump
This was all theatre where nothing in reality changed, to show how tough and intransigent this admin wants to be: the real problem is that if formally and informally allied nations start to think that the USA would really commit to bullying as a real negotiation tactic, they will start to divest from it and expand their pool of partners to make these tactics less impactful.
This could be disastrous in the long run, with decades of integration and diplomacy going in smoke. But in the short term there will be a lot of “winning”, as they keep saying. I guess.
The first Trump term was seen as a short term derailing. The second one has a complete different international impact.
Goodwill is a real diplomatic form of currency and it is getting burned at a real fast pace.
I hope and can’t wait for the first country to kick America out. Like get your bases out.
I disagree. In fact, I think a lot of nations would start trading with Colombia if it defied the U.S. under Trump. But I guess we’ll never know now.
I don’t agree, I think a lot of nations want to try to stay off of trumps radar for the next 4 years.
Unless something terrible happens, this should be over in 4 years.
It’s funny how people think it we’ll be over in 4 years. And even if it is what about the 4 after that or after that. America has just proven it is an unreliable partner again. The world should walk away. I mean it’s crazy that China is more reliable at least you know who your dealing with.
I think it will be interesting to see what China does as this bullying continues. They’re already facing tariffs, so they don’t have much to lose by stepping in and picking up new trade partners as Trump pisses everyone off. Might hurt for awhile, but it was always going to. Trump could prove to be the best thing for China’s economy & global influence in the long run.
China threatened 75% tarriffs when Trump mentioned 10% tarriffs. Don’t see him following through with his threat yet.
Personally, I’ve stopped thinking, “he can’t be that stupid/crazy.” Every time I think that, he proves me wrong!
We need to make a global Alliance where if Trump tarriffs one country, every country responds with double the tarriffs.
That’s where Trump will send you regardless of country of origin.
See, just kiss the kings ring and everything will be OK.
Can I grovel a bit first? I feel like I deserve some humiliation
Get your kinks off with someone who knows it’s for fun.
