The developer worked his ass off to repurpose his app to Lemmy for us.
I was more than happy to pay for his time. Hard work deserves reward. If people aren’t going to pay him and use the free version, which you’re welcome to, then he makes his money from ads (which pay fuck-all)
You’re just a bunch of cheapskates who want to be entertained for nothing.
ya went a little too far at the end there. nothing wrong with not wanting to pay a subscription fee lol. its not a noble cause to pay some dude who made an app we dont need
its not a noble cause to pay some dude who made an app we dont need
Do you think professional independent developers shouldn’t be paid for their work? Do you think this kind of development is effortless?
I don’t understand why people keep parroting this. The app is free. It’s a professionally developed app, where the quality tradeoff is either ads (which can be blocked) or your choice of ad removal payments.
This isn’t some company trying to exploit the community here, this is a full time app developer who just had his livelihood completely cut off. People begged him to make a version for Lemmy, and he did. He deserves to be paid for the hours and work he put in to make it happen. You can’t make an app if you can’t buy food or pay rent.
And if you don’t like that, then don’t use it. He’s never pressured users into paying, and he’s never suggested everyone on Lemmy should just send him money. He isn’t even spamming posts advertising the app, enthusiastic users are.
Why is everyone so upset?
I’m not the one who’s upset. Look at the guy I replied to. I’m literally not using the app and it’s not my responsibility to support the creator lol. I’m literally just saying I’m not a cheapskate because I’m not using your paid alternative.
No one is calling you a cheapskate. It’s just that when you said this:
its not a noble cause to pay some dude who made an app we dont need
…in context, it comes off as “Sync is not necessary to exist, therefore no one should pay him.”
I understand what you mean now, but you worded it terribly.
And by the way, going around in the comments being unnecessarily hostile and calling people “dumbfuck” or “asshole,” when they were just as confused at your poor phrasing, makes you come off as an asshole, so maybe work on that :)
God I’m looking forward to lemmy now.
Thank you. The social dysfunction I’ve been seeing here is staggering.
Been here since well… Spez spez’d. So happy to have Sync for what I can use it for and the promise of full function.
He’s a good dev. This is a lot of change for this poor little instance to process as a deluge of us all geeked out at one time.
We gotta donate to the server tho. Not enough to get the app.
No one is calling you a cheapskate.
Dude read the comment I was replying to…
it comes off as “Sync is not necessary to exist, therefore no one should pay him.”
I did not say any of those words. wtf. I didn’t word shit terribly, you just made stuff up.
makes you come off as an asshole, so maybe work on that :)
Whether or not this is passive aggressive, it sounds like it is, which makes you come off as an asshole, so maybe work on that :)
No one is calling you a cheapskate.
Dude read the comment I was replying to…
He was definitely talking about people using the app and complaining that they can’t have it all for free. You’re not one of those people.
The original post is about someone using a free app (the web app). They check out Sync and see that it has ads and costs money otherwise, and that cost has no regional pricing (apparently). So they continue to use the web app. It’s a fair complaint and it doesn’t make them a cheapskate. Doesn’t have anything to do with other people’s choices. Doesn’t mean the dev is an evil person. It’s a just a bruh moment they had.
Why is everyone so upset?
You know why, it’s because in the eyes of Lemmy users who have been here all along, launch of Sync is the start of their eternal September. I moved to reddit back in 2010 as a Digg refugee after the infamous redesign, I saw much of the same back then (down to the plethora of programming and Linux memes).
Sync isn’t trying to replace all Lemmy frontends or other FOSS apps, it’s trying to provide a Reddit-like experience for people who miss it.
People just find reasons to be upset, I swear.
If anything, the eternal September would have started when Reddit killed itself. I can’t imagine people thinking it’s starting now.
It’s the reason lemmy is struggling, it’s mainly Linux gatekeepers and foss elitists. Along with lemmy needing a slight learning period, the community just spews toxic shit relentlessly.
Lemmy is struggling?
FOSS is elitism?
No, no, no.
This is the lemmyverse. We’re against people being entitled to cheap/free labor*
*until on the winning end
I don’t get it either. I wouldn’t pay $100 for Ultra Lifetime, but it doesn’t really bother me that someone would.
Complaining about a $20 purchase you don’t have to make qualifies for “cheapskate” I think. Simply not purchasing it, or not wanting to purchase it, is fine. The difference is entitlement.
I think the point of this post was the lack of regional pricing, so for them it is not a $20 purchase.
I’m not calling OP entitled here. Regional pricing is good and they seem to be adding it now. I’m talking about some of the more vocal opponents of the app’s pricing.
If you don’t need it just don’t buy it. You’re bitching about someone wanting money for their hard work.
Not to mention, there are still a bunch of free options in other apps. Voyager, Memmy, modem, liftoff!, etc. Use one of those if you’re too cheap to pay for someone else’s work, yknow?
I FUCKING ALREADY AM
WHY DOES NOT BUYING SYNC MAKE ME CHEAP? Look! A guy made an app that costs money! What? You don’t want to use it? You’re cheap!
I mean…I don’t use it. But I’m not the one bitching about $20.
i never bitched about $20. its so funny how many times i had to explain this. i didnt use the app because i already had a free app that i dont pay for. i see no reason to use the paid app. somehow that completely reasonable decision makes me a “cheapskate”. I dont even know how you could read what I just said and think that reply would make sense.
dumbfuck i wasnt the one bitching. read what i wrote asshole
I see more aspects of reddit have made it here. great.
I truly feel at home
It’s a forum. Not everything is reddit.
The behaviour is similar to what you find there.
Like the behavior of people who like a thing shitting on people for not wanting to spend money on it as well.
not wanting to pay a subscription fee
It’s a one-time $20. It’s literally in the meme were both commenting on.
Irrelevant to my point but either way I saw other posts about a subscription.
He didn’t go too far. It is a broad and overbearing, but generally accurate statement.
How? I don’t want to pay for an app when I have one that satisfies my needs for free.That doesn’t make me a cheapskate. I was using this before Sync was even available. I can express my opinions about it too. I don’t think it’s worth the money when the service is already free and I don’t like it’s tactics to make you pay. But again, why would I care if someone paid for Sync? I’m not going to call all Sync users money wasters. Clearly they found value in it. People who didn’t aren’t just cheapskates
Nothing works for “free” they ask for donations. And just cuz you don’t wanna use an app doesn’t make it useless or an app “we don’t need”. Also there’s not “tactics” to make you pay, guy’s just asking you to pay to remove ads, they made the app, it’s their choice how it should work. You’re not expected to buy it or use it, it’s just out there as an option if you want to.
It is free, in both meanings of the word. Donations are donations. I didn’t say it was useless and by “we” i mean all the people that guy called cheapskate. They are tactics. Never said it wasn’t their choice. For the last time, I don’t use the fucking app. That doesn’t make me a cheapskate. This is the most ridiculous comment section. The original guy was shitting on others for NOT using the app. I don’t fucking caaaare what people use. Good lord.
- You clearly do. 2. Cheapskate.
No I don’t. Not once did indicate that at all.
ur funny
It’s the implication that the sync dev is doing something nefarious by charging to remove ads from the free app they developed.
I didn’t imply that. I don’t like the ad model and I think it’s bad for people. How many times are people going to try to make this dev sound like the most humble person ever. The poor dev made this free app and you wont support them. Dude can and already has made money. I’m not saying not to support independent devs. I’m saying I don’t like the model and that’s my fucking choice to not use it. I’m fine with Jerboa and I’m not a cheapskate because I wasn’t convinced to use Sync. This is the most bizarre opposition I’ve ever faced.
It’s not really bizarre. You’re digging in to something and responding to each comment, and every time you do, you talk from a perspective that to others is obviously flawed. In every comment you said “noooo I’m not a cheapskate, I just want an app for free” and that is amusing.
You’re the asshole who posts useless bug reports on GitHub but never donates. Get the 🦆 out of my project issues.
I literally said I donate dumbass. I don’t want Sync for free cunt. I don’t want Sync at all if it uses ads I have to pay to remove when I have a free alternative. That’s not a cheapskate decision. That’s called not wasting my fucking money. If someone likes Sync, then it isn’t a waste for them.
And I reply each time you do. Doesn’t take that long. Beyond that, the people digging this far are like you. My original comments are upvoted so clearly I’m not against everyone here…
The major issue for some is regional pricing. Where I’m from lifetime costs around $110 in regional currency
He was implementing regional pricing this morning and looks like that should be happening today and tomorrow. I think that’s part of the reason so many people love Sync since the dev is ultra responsive.
As far as I’ve read, that price is for both no ads and Ultra which I guess gives you more perks). For just no ads it is significantly less. For no ads in my version it’s $30CAD, which is a high price but is much much less than $100+CAD
No, that’s lifetime ultra. A totally different thing, if you feel you need to pay more for a few extra features. You can also pay $20 to remove ads for a lifetime.
Someone correct me but IIRC the Reddit Is Fun paid version costed way less that 20$.
I hope they release Lemmy Is Fun or something.
Sync for reddit was also cheaper, but the market for a reddit app is much larger than Lemmy’s. We’ll see how boost and others will be priced, but I expect it will be pricier than the reddit version.
The RIF dev ended up going with some non-federated reddit alternative. I get it, probably a much less flooded market (we already have so many options for Lemmy). But a bummer nonetheless.
The RIF dev recently released an alpha for his Tildes app, Three Cheers for Tildes. It’s in an earlier state than Sync but already quite usable.
He doesn’t deserve any reward for making spyware/adware garbage. His app is at odds with the ethos of lemmy. Fuck your ad hominem.
Lol spyware 🤣🤣
Do you work for free?
You can maneuver all you want, it is spyware. My hobby work is free. I don’t track my users nor do I inundate them with ads. I believe that’s unethical.
My work work is not available for free in any capacity whatsoever.
Good job you’re not using an android phone so it doesn’t matter!
It’s his full time job, so his "work work " isn’t free in any capacity either, you either pay with ad revenue or you pay with $20
He chose to go down that path. No one forced him. It’s a brain dead argument mate.
Oh and btw, it is free in some capacity. You do not have to pay to use the free version. It’s literally called the fucking free version.
The free version with ads that pay the developer that everyone’s losing their minds over like they’ve never seen an advert before.
Rightfully so, because it tracks you, collects and sells your data and inundates you with ads, which is literally every single fucking thing lemmy was built to get around.
@drekly @Plswrk, nobody needs to work for free, but creating incommings by spying the user to sell his data to third party isn’t an acceptable way to gain money. There are a lot of methodes to gain money in the network, but with surveillance advertising spyware is the worse and with big risks for the user, which can’t control where his personal data ends up.
Exactly.
He just put ads in his app mate. He’s not in the CIA
@drekly, simple ads are not a problem, if they are based on the content of the page and not based on user logs. Ads as is only can be somewhat annoying if there a lot in the page or they appears in the middle of a concert in YT, but no are a risk for the user privacy, no more than a commercial poster in the street or an ad in TV. As with all, bad the abuse. Years ago you saw 1-2 banners in a page, but novadays you must seek the webcontent between advertisings, banners, cookieadvices and popups
Ok?
@drekly, no ok, blocking trackers is legit selfdefense, but also the abuse of ads, blocking these also is needed. Only it isn’t a problem when a web shows an banner image or two, this can be tolerated, but not the abuse of ads currently and annoying popups, it is legit to block this crap.
Lol wow… Get off your high horse there. I didn’t ask for Sync for Lemmy, so why should I pay for it? I’m perfectly happy with the many other free apps that are in development.
It’s weird to think people are using the web app on mobile, though… Like… Why? There are so many great free options! Like, seriously… More than half a dozen!
so why should I pay for it?
Did someone say you had to? Or that you even have to use the app?
Actually you’d be surprised how much ads can pull in. In a well optimized site you can make around $5 per user per month
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You got the money, you do you. His hardwork have nothing to do with how much i’m willing to pay lol, the end result is what i pay for, and it’s not worth the price to me.
K
All the self righteousness of lemmy is strange.
There’s not just better opinions, even small decisions are morally imbued and if someone steps out of line…
Wait, does using sync cause hurricanes? Earthquakes? Will the four big ponies of the lempocalypse arrive and snort angrily?
Otherwise, I get that a surge of people elated they have something you don’t/can’t have is off putting. FOMO is real.
But it doesn’t need all the meme-shade.
Voyager is free and the pwa feels close to a native app.
Voyager just started their TestFlight app version a few days ago and it’s really great (on iOS.) It added haptic feedback which is very nice, and fixes the freezing issue. Otherwise it’s identical, I think. I’d guess there will be an android app sometime.
I’m also testing Memmy and using Mlem - both are coming along great, but Voyager app version is the cleanest and my favorite atm.
Looking forward to trying Sync when it comes to iOS. Never tried it for Reddit - only used Apollo.
Looking forward to trying Sync when it comes to iOS
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not…
I was just trying to be nice to the dev and fans tbh. I went straight to Apollo when the official app started burning up my phone years ago and never looked back, or at other apps. I had no idea Sync was never on iOS. 🤷🏻♂️ But if it ever is, I’d try it.
I understand. Sorry if I was being harsh.
I didn’t think it was harsh at all. You’re good!
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Yeah, it’s not the same. That seems just like plain stealing at that point. LJ wouldn’t do something like that after spending a decade or more working on sync.Correction: Sync for iOS was created by the dev’s friend.
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I wish they also provided a way to disable haptic feedback. It’s annoying when I’m up late upvoting dank memes while my wife is sleeping
I think it’s very noble of you to upvote dank memes. You can show this comment to your wife: Fluxion is awesome and deserves to upvote dank memes whenever they please. This is the way.
Thank you kindly, just doing my part 👍
So you can confirm the swipe back freezing issue is resolved on the iOS app? I’ve seen people say it’s still there.
If it is resolved, I am very excited to use it!
It’s technically still there, but it resolves immediately when you lift your finger now.
In my experience: In the PWA it consistently required lifting your finger and waiting for 1-2 seconds before attempting to scroll again. If you didn’t “not touch it” for 1-2 seconds, it would stay frozen indefinitely when trying to scroll up or down. This sometimes felt like an eternity for an otherwise very responsive experience.
In the TestFlight app, that 1-2 seconds is down to maybe .2 seconds or less. It’s nearly imperceptible - enough so that it feels like it’s fixed. But if you do use it in such a way that you encounter a freeze, you just lift your finger and immediately try again. There’s no additional waiting - just lift and continue.
So it feels fixed to me and I rarely freeze in the first place, but maybe the underlying problem still exists.
IOW: It’s as if an invisible overlay blocks your interactions after swiping back to the feed. That invisible overlay is now removed almost instantly instead of after 1-2 seconds. But if you try to scroll too quickly after swiping back, you might catch it while your finger is down. In that case, you can now lift and immediately continue. It’s consistent enough and minor enough that it could be played off as a feature that prevents you from accidentally scrolling after swiping back.
I haven’t personally experienced any bugs that would hold it back from an App Store release, so hopefully you’ll get it to try it for yourself soon.
I used Voyager since it was wefwef. Sync has far more customization. Like multitudes more.
How can I get it on Testflight? I am using Mlem currently and tried Memmy a bit. For now I look at Mlem as my Lemmy-app, because the comments are well formatted compared to Memmy, but Memmy is Open Source and has definetly the the better Icon. Yes, such things are important for me, too.
Voyager TestFlight link: https://testflight.apple.com/join/nWLw1MBM
I joined early on, so it may be full like they often are. If it is, bookmark and keep checking - especially during off hours.
Thx, I got it. (:
I quite like Voyager. Works really well
And if you’re on Android, the free apps that fully function are…
Liftoff (amazing)
Thunder (amazing)
Connect (great, but not sure if it’s open source?)
Summit
Nemmy
Beyond (tried it and didn’t like that it defaults to Lemmy.ml)
Lemmitof (haven’t tried yet)
Voyager has an app that respects navigation panes, UI refreshes and haptic system gestures now, so all those “but it doesn’t FEEL native” complaints have been put to the ground to begin with.
Yeah i’m using pwa, and currently testing Thunder, liking it so far. Still not a good replacement if i want to do mod/admin work.
Will totally buy Sync ultra despite the bitching, but until it has mod tools and community browsing, amongst a list of missing feature found in the web app, i can’t justify the spending.
I am using Memmy on iOS. It rocks! Does everything I need without any adds. Very happy with it.
There’s acyually an APK version for android as well of Voyager.
Are you sure it’s legit? From a quick look at the official GitHub repo’s README, I saw no mention of a native Android app (however I did see mention of the iOS app).
EDIT: dug a little deeper and saw mention of the Android app in the latest release notes (beta coming soon to the play store) as well as an empty Android studio project folder in the source. Maybe the actual code is somewhere on a different branch, but even so, I would be hesitant to install random APKs not coming from the developer themself.
Here it is on the google play store: https://lemmy.world/post/2613340
Damn, the Voyager dev works fast! Thanks for the link.
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Fuck PWA. I want a native, fast app with no JavaScript.
It’s fast and it’s about as native as most apps get nowadays. Kotlin on Android or Swift on iOS still run in virtual machines with GC not unlike Javascript. Nobody writes apps in C++ either. Maybe one day we will do it in Rust when there’s ever a good mobile GUI framework.
Also by fast I do mean fast. Much better than any other PWA or website I’ve ever used and on par with good native apps. There do be some bugs, I’ve run into two and they’re a bit annoying, but I’m sure they’ll be fixed soon enough. The dev is super active and it’s open source so anyone can contribute.
Much of the time you can’t really tell it’s not Apollo and that was the best reddit app hands down.
I do have a recent iPhone though. Maybe an older or lower end phone won’t be as fast. But even so, I would still recommend trying it.
Your argument for "as native as most apps” falls apart pretty quickly though.
I’m not saying it’s a bad app. I’m just saying it’s a badly made app, because JavaScript was a joke 30 years ago, it’s a joke today. (ThePrimeagen)
Most apps aren’t native, so being “as native” as the baseline average or better isn’t even saying much at all. They’re all using V8, and I’m slightly less disgruntled if they use something like React Native or whatever instead of Vue and virtual DOM stuff. This was brief but you get the idea.
Also, Xamarin and Flutter/Skia do exist.
React native, Xamarin, Flutter aren’t REALLY native either. Neither are, like I said, the main languages either mobile platform’s owner wants you to use.
Mobile apps are rarely native for real these days.
Voyager uses React so it uses the Virtual DOM much like Vue (which often tends to be faster) or React Native. I can’t see how using React Native instead of React like you suggested is all that much better. It’s all the same shit.
You want native, there’s Dioxus for Rust or I guess QT for C++. Those will compile into actual binaries rather than some sort of bytecode running in an interpreter. But these take much more time to write complex apps in and in a world where we want all our apps to be free, they’re hard to justify.
It’s interesting you quote ThePrimeagen about Javascript, because it’s literally the main language he uses/used at Netflix and he often says it’s not a bad language. He’s got a workshop on Javascript coming in November.
I hate the language as much as any and have avoided using it professionally, but your arguments are pretty weak. Modern Javascript engines are ridiculously fast, which is why a WELL MADE web app can be much faster than a shoddily made “native” app.
Edit: It’s now available on the app store, making it native by your definition. Which is to say it has direct access to some system APIs, but it still renders a vDOM like any other react native app.
The instance I’m on has a beta of an interface called “photon” that looks very similar to Sync’s cards view.
Just paying a visit to lemmy because Sync is out, and all I’ve seen is this. Lemmy is just another reddit, isn’t it? People here are no better like what they believe themselves to be, still the same everywhere.
I’m just happy we have all of these choices.
The FOSS apps are fantastic already and Sync is there if you want that too.
Not a big fan of the price, but it’s free to use if you want and the app is amazingly smooth.
Also, if you decide to use this app for many years, the one time payment isn’t that bad at all.
Isn’t it a yearly subscription?
The $20 one-time fee is to remove ads from the “standard” app.
The subscription pricing is for Sync Ultra, which has Cloud backup for settings and some more advanced features in addition to no ads.
Seems like Sync Ultra is a lot more ‘niche’ than Apollo Ultra.
What does Apollo Ulta offer above it’s standard version?
Push notifications, icons, more themes, tons of powerful sort and save functions that weren’t on Reddit, Pixel Pals…probably more, but the last time I had Apollo Pro was many, many years ago.
There’s a one time $20 fee to remove ads. There’s also a thing for increased functionality that’s separate and includes removing ads using a monthly or an annual subscription option, and there’s also a lifetime option. I opted for the lifetime one at $100 because I figure I’ll be using it for a few years, I’m happy to support the dev, and I really want all the bells and whistles.
For whatever reason I can’t find the 20 option to remove ads. Any chance you can point me to it?
Edit: nvm, just had to update the app.
At this point there are multiple updates per day during the beta period. I expect that will settle down once things stabilize, but for now it’s definitely prudent to keep checking for updates.
There’s a one time payment for ad free. The subscription is for ultra which is ad free plus a bunch of power user type shit that I don’t personally have a use for.
Jesus Christ guys, there’s like one inline ad every 30 posts. Quit bitching
I don’t understand the people hating on Sync just as much as I don’t understand the people hating posts criticizing sync.
It’s an app. Let people use what they want to use lmao. Growth for Lemmy is a good thing regardless
God forbid you have to pay for stuff.
God forbid you
have tocan pay for stuff if you want.It’s a third party app. One of many. With an optional purchase to support the dev. Honestly…
With an optional purchase to support the dev.
You mean the schuckster trying to make a buck using another free API after the last one booted him out? Guy’s a slimeball.
What a genuinely unhinged take.
You’re not paying for the API, you’re paying for the dev time.
A slimeball for having an optional charge for a product they have made and have input their own time and skills into?
That’s a hot take, it’s still a shit take, but hot as well
$20 one time for a well developed app that I use multiple hours a day is inexpensive.
I pay almost as much to multiple streaming services PER MONTH for a shitty experience and sometimes not a completely ad-free experience.
Anyway, in all honesty I chose the $1.99/mo because it gives the dev $24/yr into perpetuity. I also donate to instances. I also use Connect and Jerboa and Liftoff. It’s whatever.
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I pay for Sync and Telegram. Telegram doesn’t even have ads, I just want to throw money at the things that provide me entertainment and value on a daily basis. Just because you don’t like to pay for things doesn’t mean you should project that mindset onto other people.
I paid for sync for Reddit, I donated to my Lemmy instance and I’ll pay for Sync for Lemmy once I decide for myself whether I take the subscription, simply ad free or one time payment for ultra. As there’s still fixes to the pricing going on I’ll wait out for that
I guess I’m biased with paying for software since I work at a company that makes software it also offers in its’ own SaaS platform. I literally maintain the infrastructure so I’m intimately familiar with those costs. I appreciate anyone who offers software and service for free. But there’s always a cost and if you want premium service you’ll need to pay for it.
That is ofcourse another justification and easy one since paying for sync is almost nothing to me. I do hope the free Sync keeps being a good alternative for anyone who wants to try it.
God forbid i can choose the alternative while talk about how expensive the other choice is.
The other choice is free though. You don’t have to pay.
I never see Liftoff recommended in these kinds of threads. It’s my favourite app so far out of Thunder, Connect, and Jerboa.
What do you mean? So far I’ve seen it mentioned in every thread about sync.
thunder is my goat tbh
only once that doesn’t feel bloated and slow
Liftoff is fantastic. QoL changes near daily.
Installed sync for a moment… uninstalled it later.
Liftoff is the way for me.
I was always a fan of Sync, and am now on board again. That said, I thought LiftOff and Summit were the two most polished on Android. I had a few nitpicks with each, but overall they are solid.
I’ll have to try Liftoff.
Sent from Sync Ultra for Lemmy.
I second that!
I’m all here for the lemmy app war of 2023. Sync for life!!
Sync is free.
There is a paid version sure. But the free version is still excellent.
Honestly, it’s so strange this never comes up - yes there are ads but a man’s gotta eat. The ads aren’t particularly intrusive so the free version is a fine sacrifice for those of us who are happy enough with the base functionality of sync and can deal with the minor annoyance of an occasional ad.
I’d prefer to purchase the ad-free version, but the pricing is a bit excessive for me right now - I can wait it out until there’s a sale or other discount in the meantime.
If that’s a dealbreaker, all the other Lemmy clients are available to use instead - I’ve used them all and they’re all excellent.
Also, somewhere between my pi-hole and various DNS tweakings the ads in the free version seem to be getting eaten anyway.
I’m using it right now. Working just fine so far, exactly the same as the reddit version, and I haven’t been asked to pay $20 for it.
I’ll repeat what I said in several other threads at this point:
I loved the old app, I still love the new app, it’s a pleasure to use compared to the alternatives I’ve tried, and I find the ultra subscription rate both reasonable and worthwhile to support a product I truly enjoy.
Sync is good for me. There’s plenty of other options if it’s not good for you.
Ok
He literally gave what he prefers, get off the high horse
Connect seems good enough to me
