Brexit killed scexit
Also they voted against it when given the opportunity.
It was a once in a lifetime thing.
I don’t think the nationalist would actually win a vote right now (I don’t think they’d have won even if they held a vote 2 years ago either), but it’s been almost a decade since the last referendum. If people have a right to self determination, how often do you let them exercise that right. Once in a lifetime seems horrible undemocratic.
For certain things though it is impractical to have votes every few years, especially a vote that works as a “ratchet” - remainers would have to keep winning all the time if you have constant referendums to retain the status quo, but leavers would only need to win once since like Brexit, Scottish independence would be essentially forever.
You’re not going to have a vote on the union every 4 years as you would with a general election, it would be impractical to have Scotland constantly leaving and rejoining the UK every few years as if it were an election, just as it would be impractical for the UK (or any other country) to be leaving and rejoining the EU every few years.
You also have to consider how far self-determination goes. Scotland got their vote which was never sold as anything less than a once in a generation vote, so the very earliest this should be considered again should be 2039.
How far does the right to self-determination go? Should Manchester get a vote to leave the UK? What about Haslemere? What about 23 Acacia Avenue, Upper Warlingham?
Once in a lifetime was what they campaigned on though…
In Alex Salmond’s foreword to Scotland’s Future, the white paper on independence ahead of the 2014 referendum, the then first minister said the vote would be a “rare and precious moment in the history of Scotland - a once in a generation opportunity to chart a better way”.
The document itself went on to state there was “no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence”, and that “only a majority vote for Yes would give certainty that Scotland will be independent”.
Mr Salmond and his team used the phrase several times in interviews, including one with Andrew Marr where he said that “in my view this is a once in a generation, perhaps even a once in a lifetime opportunity”.
His deputy Ms Sturgeon, used that “lifetime” phrase during the final Holyrood debate before the referendum - as did three other SNP MSPs, before passing a motion which also called the ballot the “opportunity of a lifetime”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51120175
Why should we let the opinions of people who aren’t even in power anymore determine what we should do in the future?
If a magic money tree was discovered, would you refuse to use it because Theresa May once said it didn’t exist?
Because that’s what it was agreed to be. You can’t change the rules because you don’t like the outcome.
Would you kindly share the Hansard reference or Act of Parliament which establishes that another referendum shouldn’t be held until a lifetime has passed?
Lol, indyref was agreed on those terms.
No UK prime minister is going to give another one anytime soon.
The SNP has fucked themselves royally, and ironically
That’s exactly what we do each general election. We haven’t kept the Whigs in power because they won the general election in 1708.
We don’t have a referendum on whether to dissolve the union every 4 years, don’t be absurd
To say I am quite pleased would be an understatement. I would not like to see Scotland out of the UK.
What Sturgeon showed Parliament was that things could be done differently and in a much better way. I really wished she pushed to make the SNP a party that looked to represent the whole of the UK. She would have got my support if she wanted to make efforts to change how the shit show in London should be ran. Part of that would have been standing up to the
EurophilesEurosceptics and questioning the lack of benefits from Brexit. Labour is tip toeing around the issue instead of pushing for constructive data to show the results from Brexit either positively or in a negative light.It is a shame the issues from her husband came to light under the Tories. They sought to destroy her reputation regardless of any culpability. I notice we have yet to see any charges against her.
Edit: Took out the brain fart
The Scottish independence vote. That would be the one where a Scot living in England didn’t get a say, but an English person living in Scotland did. For such disenfranchisement of Scots diaspora, the SNP should never again preside over a Scottish independence vote.
