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They probably are fairly strict, and from my experience the moderators / admins are fairly opinionated on a lot of topics, so it’s hard to grow a large, like-minded community.
I really do hope they manage to stick around in the fediverse though even if that means they will have to isolate themselves a lot. I think the fediverse will be much stronger and better if communities like beehaw can manage to exist in it.
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You can have narrow and niche interest communities and echo chambers without it being “radicalizing” each other. They can just all be very interested in this one type of tree, and that’s fine be me.
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No, monocultures are bad, an environment always needs different plants to survive.
But not all types of plants, as invasive species will wipe out diversity.
Have to find a place where there is variety that is within a certain range of the rest so they bring each other up.
True.
Best example of this is in the urbanism space IMO, where we frequently speak highly of various cities and regions due to their amazing designs and infrastructure, but there’s not much mention that there’s more to a city than that - such as the job market, housing affordability, services, crime, etc…
I don’t understand why they say federation as a whole is the problem. They can always defederate specific instances if they don’t like their moderation practices, so why think about leaving federation all together? That would imply that most big instances don’t moderate properly, which I don’t think is the case.
Why dont more users just block communities and instances they dont like? Thats what I do, and I almost never see the sort of extremist content people have mentioned.
New communities pop up all the time and clog up the All feed with multiple posts, no engagement, and then disappear again. It’s annoying.
That’s why the subscribed feed exists though, right? Sorting by everything is a good way to find new communities to subscribe to occasionally, but I wouldn’t use it as the main way to browse. Of course there’s going to be things on there people take issue with, its literally everything.
Because it doesn’t work. Blocking hexbear throws an error on kbin. So does blocking users from hexbear. Other domain blocks don’t work at all. All the feddit’s for example. Hope the next update fixes that.
But it does work for beehaw since they are a lemmy instance……
Can’t speak for kbin, but I never see blocked content come up when I block from sync or any of the other lemmy apps ive tried.
Interesting. When they defederated from .world and others I thought it was just a stop gap until better mod tools, etc could be made. Looks like they’re still not able to create the space that they want in the fediverse, months later. That’s really unfortunate, on a number of levels, but they need to do what’s right for them. I have a few fediverse alts, some of which can interact with Beehaw and some which can’t. It’ll be a bummer to lose those communities entirely, but I get it.
Can someone ELI5 what Beehaw is? Their post says that the lemmy instance is just part of a large project, but the beehaw website is the lemmy instance. So what is this project? What makes them special? Google also just shows me their lemmy instance and their subreddit.
Beehaw is trying to be a “safe place” social network. They want to be a social network, welcoming to people, but also protect their community. They want people to be nice, and won’t tolerate people being intolerant (racism, homophonic, sexist, transphobic, or bigoted).
I’d argue that In a lot of these things their can be some nuance in all those terms but in Beehaw expect a more absolutionist interpretation of those terms.
I understand what they’re trying to do. But to give you an idea of what the result is (in my opinion) - when I mentioned free speech there I was lectured that the term is a right wing dog whistle term. I would describe them as a intolerantly tolerant place - either you ascribe to their absolutionist views or you don’t. That is just my experience though.
Beehaws influence has been disproportionate as they were one of the bigger communities during the recent Reddit influxes. They don’t want to be the biggest, they want to protect and nurture their own community. I get it but I think it was inevitable that would not work with federating.
intolerantly tolerantThat’s because it’s required to not tolerate intolerance in order to be tolerant.
Free speech is a right wing dog whistle at this point as it’s used to justify being able to say whatever people want to say no matter the impact on others. What people who invoke free speech need to realose is that it’s protected in public spaces, not in private spaces and it’s a purely American thing, even in Canada the freedom of expression doesn’t allow people to propagate hate. I don’t know where Beehaw is hosted but if it’s not in the USA it’s even more ridiculous to talk about free speech on it.
Everytime I see someone complain about free speech, it’s usually filled with right wing talking points, intentionally or not.
The thing about free speech is that it matters most when you don’t agree with the other person.
What are you on about
That those kinds of situations are exactly why free speech exists: People want to articulate thoughts in front of an audience that is opposed to them. What they are saying may be bad (depending on your PoV), but the fact that they can invoke free speech to say it is important (excl. harmful stuff like hate speech ofc).
Claiming to support free speech when nothing controversial is being said is just cheap talk.
I disagree with what you say, but I’m glad you’re free to say it.
When the reddit exodus started they were the 2nd largest instance. When 2 new instances grew close to them in user count they defederated them.
It’s clearly their ego that’s special.
It was the first instance I signed up for and they rejected my application. I can’t fathom the reasoning.
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it’s a toxic echo chamber that claims to be a “safe space”, in which you either contribute to the(ir) echo, or you get banned
For example?
I once got told that if I even tried to defend or discuss my point of view (after the first and only comment on that thread), I’ll be banned. Because I said that if you randomly pick out someone from a random population, you’re less likely to pick a minority, because they’re a minority. And that’s how statistics works.
Beside the point, but maybe still worthmentioning: if the “majority” is in truth just another minority, but the biggest one, with, say, 15% of the population, and therefore by default calls itself the majority, you’re still more likely to pick an individual of one of the 24 other minorities. What you’re unlikely to do, is to pick an individual of a specific minority, no matter which one. The “least unlikely” is an individual of said “majority”, because it’s the biggest minority. It’s still relatively unlikely, though, and likelier to pick an individual of some other minority, just not any specific one.
yes, but you still have a higher probability of picking one of those than any other individual one of the others. you do have a higher probability of picking any other than that single one, but that’s not saying much. If you pick a random sample, the biggest minority will still be the biggest minority.
Correct, you have the highest probability of picking an individual from the biggest minority.
It’s pretty easy to be the aggressor in a situation when trying to make a point like that. What was the actual context for that point to even be raised the first place, and was it even the main point of the comment you replied to or was it nitpicking?
The point was about proportional representation in media. The key word there was proportional.
If I picked all my actors by picking names out of a hat (meaning it’s impossible to discriminate), there is a high chance that there won’t be a lot of asians in my result. But that’s not because I have anything against asians, but simply because I live in a mediterranean country, and there are far fewer asians here than you’d find in asia. So even if I ended up with 19 mediterranean people, and one asian person, that’d be a proportional representation.
But I was the aggressor for not agreeing that “biasing the results but only if you personally don’t like them” is good proportional representation.
And calling me the aggressor for stating an objective, undisputable mathematical fact in a relevant discussion is exactly why it’s a toxic echo chamber. The truth there is decided by majority. Not by the real world.
If they can get rid of all the extremist propaganda I’ll probably go with them. So tired of places like Hexbear and Lemmygrad, they’re 100% killing the fediverse.
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Still see hexbear crap on kbin and the blocking feature does not work for that instance and all of it’s users specifically:(
I’ve seen exactly the same thing, it’s crazy frustrating, and no one is answering mail from KBIN “support”
I got this reply from Ernest recently concerning spam and other things, including a coming major update. Want to talk about bugs…I couldn’t see any of the replies to my post unless I opened it logged out/incognito. Let’s appreciate that this barely alpha coding has been a lot more stable than the first days and wait to see what the update fixes and breaks.
Wait, what? I’m on kbin.social and I almost never see hexbear stuff. Why would blocking that instance not work? I blocked the grad like my second day here.
I blocked the .world and I still see posts from .world communities.
People have accused .world of trying to be the ‘new’ Reddit but to me it was clear from day one that it was beehaw that wanted to do this. By ‘new’ Reddit, I mean a walled garden environment. Once they do this it won’t be long before they introduce ads etc to the software they choose. Y’know, to ‘supprt the site’ etc.
I totally understand the desire for a safer space but I genuinely don’t believe that that is the beehaw admin teams primary desire. Or if it is, they see it as a marketable USP, not a thing they necessarily believe in. I think from the start they saw the potential for making money and this is just another step on that long process.
And that’s how the right wins. The left just goes “we’re better than this”… and bails.
I don’t think you can derive anything about “the left” from this. You can’t e.g. blame users from hexbear for not wanting to bring the debate to others, in fact that’s why many instances defederate from them. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Given the extremism I’ve seen allowed on lemmy, I don’t blame them for wanting to bail. It’s definitely been killing my enjoyment here.
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Everything is allowed on lemmy. There are no fediverse-wide administrators.
Yeah, I feel like the Reddit concept of having moderators per community isn’t necessarily working out too well. When those moderators become inactive, that’s quite a problem.
I really think it’s the admins responsibility to be cleaning up those dead/ inactive communities. So far I’ve not really seen that happen.
Hmm, by “cleaning up”, do you mean moderating those communities or retiring them?
There’s some pretty popular communities that don’t get (enough) moderation…
Definitely retiring them. Particularly the dead duplicates of much larger communities.
Yeah, I don’t think, we’ve generally done retiring of communities here. It wasn’t really necessary until a few months ago…
No one leaves the federation!
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Lmao they think federation is the reason no one wants them.
No one wants Beehaw because you do not negotiate with racists and bigots.
