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Honestly their walk back of the net zero has made me never want to vote for them again.
The planet is fucked, at this point nothing else matters, we aren’t doing anything about it because Sunak is cosied up to fossil fuels and is too busy flying his private jet about.
Honestly their walk back of the net zero has made me never want to vote for them again
not their killing off of poor and disabled people though, or their racism, or transphobia, or deliberate destruction for personal profit of all public infrastructure, or their lying, or cheating, or corruption or…
Maybe not the point you think you’re making there champ.
Sigh
Way to win someone over to your cause. You had a sympathetic ear there and you wasted it.They were never fucking sympathetic, that’s the fucking point.
Fuck off with your tone policing, “enlightened” centrist clown.Look, you can be right, you can stick it to everyone you want. It’s your call. But I know enough lonely people who took every opportunity to jump down peoples throats.
And their decade of making the country worse for everyone but the ultra wealthy was ok?
Not ok but it’s what people knew they would do when they elected them, so them then doing it shouldn’t really change people’s opinion of them.
To be fair, their walk back of net zero might of got them 500 extra old age pensioner votes, assuming that the oap’s are able to survive the winter covids, heating costs, and cost of living costs. And they can’t get past the polling stations needing extra ID.
They did that because they believed their own rhetoric. They made up all sorts of nonsense about ULEZ, which successfully confused enough of voters that they won Boris Johnson’s old seat when really they wouldn’t have. But this made them think that people don’t care about environmental policies. So they decided that it would be a great idea if they walked some back, because clearly that would get them some votes right?
idk what the polls say it’s going to be closer than everyone thinks because i know the british electorate.
the polls are always big for labour then the election comes and Tories still somehow win >_>
It’s because people still don’t bother turning up to vote
Shy Tories too, people who know admitting voting for them would mean ostracisation in their social circles but will still do so on voting day.
For sure. Fascists understand when they’re outnumbered and need to hide, until one day…they don’t need to hide any more (see the USA in recent years for example).
Hoping the party fractures under the pressure.
The tories really conist of two parties at war with each other constantly. The only thing they agree on is money and power are good for them.
It fractured a decade ago when they couldn’t get a majority and had to get in bed with the popularists by promising a brexit referendum. Something 100% against tory values.
What you have now is not even a tory party. it’s an unelected popularist assortment of fifth rank backbenchers who would have been insignificant in the grand scheme of the party.
The real question is what is going to happen to the tory party after they lose. Will they reform as an ultra nationalist fascist party like they have been heading towards? Will they go the gentle opinionless route Labour did and hope that’s enough? Just die?🤞
Hopefully they collapse and Labour split into centrists and lefties. That would be ideal, drag the Overton window over a little.
Even Thatcher’s Tory party was fractured — between so-called wets and dries. It’s inevitable that any broad political party (which you get in a two-party system) will contain extremes.
If they lose, surely the pary splits between moderates and the nutters.
That already happened. The moderates left a long long long time ago
I worry more about vote splitting, but both can be fixed by moving away from FPTP. Mixed Member Proportional Representation, like Germany and New Zealand, is what we need.
Unfortunately we won’t get proportional representation from a labour goverment.
Maybe if they are forced into a coalition with the lib dema we can get movement. The problem is labour really don’t do coalitions which leaves the door open to a tory return if they get a low turnout.
Thing is Labour party members want to get rid of FPTP. It’s the party leadership that doesn’t. Which is putting party before country.
Hoping the party fractures under the pressure.
One thing rich fucks are known for is banding together to protect their wealth, and the public fountain they get it from. I wouldn’t get my hopes up.
Fingers crossed
Maybe people are finally realising that the Tories can’t legitimately blame the previous Labour government anymore, they’ve been using that move for too long now.
They do that? I thought they always blamed the previous government, irrespective of which party was in charge. “Oh that lot back in 2019? No, that wasn’t us” puts on false moustache and glasses “That previous government put us in all this mess” “Conservative government? You must mean Boris Johnson’s government. Right mess they made of things. Fortunately we’re nothing to do with them, so things can only get better, eh?”
I’ve posted this already but
It’s starting early, the headlines that the Tories will be defeated so you go “Oh good, I don’t have to vote” but you do, it’s lies, VOTE!
Rishi is going full cultural war to win votes but actually focusing on things that will proper win votes and seems reasonable.
It is just incredibly frustrating seeing people come out of the wood works and run with this idea that there is a war on cars.
@i_am_not_a_robot One should hope so
Well damn, its about time.
I have a £100 bet with a friend who says the same. I just have no confidence that the UK public won’t just shit the bed and vote Tories again.
The same pollster went on to prove that water is wet
Wake me up when he discovers earth has breathable atmosphere.
It doesn’t really matter, either way. If they lose, then labour win. And labour are almost as bad.
This incoming labour government is going to radicalise more people than anything else, I only hope it radicalises people with the correct conclusions.
And labour are almost as bad.
The word “almost” is doing an extreme amount of heavy lifting in this ridiculous straw man of yours.
So, the first government I really remember was Blair’s Labour. At the time, I was against a lot of what they did from a left and liberal POV. I won’t go through the list because we all know it and I’m still against all of it!
Having now lived through a Tory government, I can categorically say that Labour are infinitely superior to the Conservatives in every respect. Labour would never have given us Brexit, as just one example. Under Labour we’re going to get green investment, planning reform, investment in schools. It’s going to get better and it’s worth fighting for.
I’m sorry, but you’re not seeing the bigger picture. We have massive, structural problems that are inevitably leading towards a crisis the likes of which we have never seen. Climate change, massive inequality, a surge of far-right sentiment.
Labour isn’t going to improve any of those things enough to matter. They’ll do little more than pay lip service to them while they continue the conservatives campaign of looting the country and funnelling wealth to those who are already wealthy.
The amount of suffering that the labour government presides over is going to be unparalleled and they will do almost nothing to stop it because ultimately they still want to build a world for money, and not a world for people.
You have NO reason to believe that labour would make any of these things really better. Look at anything they come out with. They always share the least inspirational, most vaguely worded aphoristic minimal policies possible. They rule out pretty much anything that would be bold enough to actually be effective.
We need something more than labour if we’re going to prevent massive suffering. And this incoming labour government will almost indefinitely lead to fascism as a result.
I can’t really reply to this because it’s a howl of despair, leavened with cliches. I feel for you, man, but there’s no actual content here. All I can say is that every leftwing government in history had to listen to this stuff, but very nearly all of them then went on to make things significantly better for people. That’s my reason for thinking that Labour will be better.
Labour isn’t left wing, they’re neo-liberal. They are center-right at best. Come on, man. I’m not howling with despair, I’m trying to explain the problems. If you’re not reasonable enough to engage with my points then there’s no point in having the conversation.
Labour aren’t going to take enough action on the things that really matter. They’re honest enough to tell you that. Are they going to hugely increase funding for the NHS? They already told us that they’re not going to, they’re going to increase funding a little bit, but focus on “””efficiency”””. Are they going to stop fossil fuel subsidies? They already said no. Are they going to increase renewable subsidies to be equal to or more than fossil fuel subsidies? Nope. Are they going to institute a wealth tax, something which was described as a “no-brainer” by economics researchers? No. They completely ruled it out.
Labour aren’t the good guys anymore, man. They’re not as evil as Tories, they’re better than the Tories no doubt, but they’re not going to save us.
Again, this is nothing but noise. ‘If you ignore everything Labour are going to do, they’re going to do nothing!’ Huh. No kidding?
