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Here are the latest casualty figures as of October 24, 2.40pm local time (11:40 GMT):
Gaza
Killed: At least 5,791
Including at least:
2,360 children
1,292 women
Injured: More than 16,297
Occupied West Bank
Killed: At least 96
Injured: At least 1,828
Israel
Killed: At least 1,405
Injured: At least 5,431
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TWO THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY children. I don’t care which side you’re on, but this should make everybody intensely sad.
The average age in Palestine is 19 so ~50% of civilians killed are going to be children. And for the survivors 53.5% of children in Palestine have PTSD and something like 80% show symptoms.
Whether the numbers are inflated or not doesn’t really matter.
What really matters is that innocent people are being killed every day and a lot of those are kids.
That the humanitarian crisis is deepening every day.
That more than 1.4M people are displaced.
That Israel is bombing the area they suggested was a safe heaven.
That the people in Gaza are going through hell.
And sadly this won’t solve anything and would only strengthen the position of Hamas and nurture another generation of broken people. After this, peace in the region would become even harder and there would be increase of the support for far right parties in Israel. And those parties will do everything in their power to continue antagonizing the Palestinian and Arab population both in the West Bank and also in Gaza. Nothing good would come out of it! And it saddens me immensely!
if the people dying weren’t essentially innocent bystanders, I would relish this shitshow of awful regimes practicing mutual annihilation.
Why doesn’t it include women and children counts for both?
Because Al Jazeera is a biased source. If you want to look for yourself, you can go through a partial list of the Israeli fatalities here. Google translate is decent. Not all include an age, and Israelis have many unisex names.
I can’t trust either side. But I can guarantee that number is bigger than zero.
Israel: Hamas beheaded 40 babies
Israel: We never said that
Israel: But actually we have footage of it
Israel: But we’re not going to show you
Israel: Ok some journalists can see it but they have to put their phones in Yondr™ pouches because we’re filming a special for Netflix
Israel indeed never said it. What I’ve seen is that some reporter that said that they beheaded babies, and 40 babies were killed, then somehow it for turned to 40 beheaded babies on social media.
So basically Israeli officials never claimed that.In a response to questions by The Washington Post, a White House spokesperson said the president’s comments were based on news reports and claims by the Israeli government.
“The president based his comments about the alleged atrocities on the claims from Netanyahu’s spokesman and media reports from Israel, according to the White House.”
The Israeli army has said that it cannot confirm the claims, which were repeated on Wednesday by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s spokesperson Tal Heinrich.
But Israeli military officials have told a number of media outlets that women and children were “brutally butchered in an ISIS way of action”.
That’s good and all but still the claim of “40 babies were beheaded” never existed.
The Israeli army has said that it cannot confirm the claims, which were repeated on Wednesday by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s spokesperson Tal Heinrich.
What are you disagreeing with?
Are you trying to say Tal Heinrich is not a spokesperson for the IDF? Because NewsNation, IndiaTimes, Australian Financial Review 9news[dot]au, and the NY Post all refer to her as such. Ohh and theres this piece from JewishInsider
Al Jazeera is widely considered Islamist propaganda, including by the Palestinian Authority/Fatah and governments in the Muslim world. Post a more credible source, if you want people to be less sceptical.
It’s not.
It’s Qatari biased but not Islamist propaganda.if it doesn’t directly affect Qatar’s government, they are one of the best news sources especially revolving the Middle East.
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Al Jazeera is actually pretty legit. Obviously you gotta be aware because it is literally government funded but let this be the first of many times you will look up a claim made by Al Jazeera and find it to be true.
Btw, you could easily look this up. Why is this my job? I gave you quotes and names so you could look this shit up yourself.
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for further details about Biden’s remarks. Two senior administration officials said Biden was referring to reports from Israel about beheaded children and cited several media reports of beheadings.
NBC News has not confirmed those reports. IDF Spokesperson Maj. Doron Spielman told NBC News: “That specific report and that number I can’t confirm.”
A spokesperson for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday that toddlers and babies were found in Kfar Aza, a kibbutz in southern Israel, with their “heads decapitated” after Hamas’ attack over the weekend, CNN reported.
Almost verbatim what Al Jazeera said
Much of Russia Today’s coverage is also perfectly factual. They mix the lies in with the truths, to make it less obvious.
Feel free to continue posting al jazeera links, but people will be rightly sceptical. It is not a reliable source.
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That source says things I don’t like, that means it’s propaganda!
ROFLMAO.
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Why does Aljazeera spread nonsense numbers from terrorists that try to milk sympathy after live streaming the most horrendous and torture and murder?
Because people love it and jerk wildly to the ever higher number of dead people in Gaza.
Sickening. Israel is a barbaric fascist state
5791 - 2360 - 1292 = 2139 men of age.
Israel claims to have killed over 1,000 who invaded its territory on October 7th. Earlier reports were over 1,500.
On the northern front: Israel is reporting over 50 Hezbollah members having been killed since October 7th. Hezbollah have confirmed 7 (or 8, it’s a little difficult to track only through liveblogs) members killed today (October 24th). Hamas has also claimed responsibility for several attacks on the northern border which Israel did claim having killed those responsible, but I don’t see where or if those are being counted.
It’s hard to trust any of these numbers. 1 innocent death is 1 too many, but the numbers seem to come from Hamas and they have every incentive to inflate them.
Are Hamas fighters or legitimate targets being included in these figures for instance? The 500 dead at the “hospital” seen very dubious too given the scale of the actual destruction, it’s unclear whether that number is included also.
The Israeli numbers are largely backed up by multiple sources within the country: both media organizations and different governmental organizations. Historically, there are some names that aren’t published as a matter of public policy (pilots, military personnel in classified positions, same stuff you’d see from any other western country).
Hamas 100% include their armed members. The hospital blast was for sure not 500, but I haven’t seen any follow-up numbers from that incident. No clue if that is included in their running totals.
Aljazeera fails to mention that using civilian infrastructure as military installations is a warcrime and that those are legitimate war targets, therefore all those numbers are actually on Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Also huge doubt on the actual numbers themselves since it is, well, Aljazeera. Might as well listen to RT.
Buddy, they live in an incredibly densely populated open-air prison. There’s no option of using “military infrastructure” when it’s incapable of existing in Gaza.
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I think what you fail to grasp is that for some people “it’s on Hamas” doesn’t change the the ethical calculus. It doesn’t diminish their feeling of empathy towards the victims and their families.
So what’s the alternative? Not pressure Hamas with rockets to free the hostages is probably not an option because of how diabolically they planned their bases of operations next to hospitals, schools or inside civilian buildings.
So Israel should try to go in with the army on foot and evacuate building by building by force? Sure that will be no problem especially given that Hamas will 100% pose as civilians during those raids and attack Israel from behind with all the tunnels underneath Gaza - so every soldier there would be extremely paranoid - no way that can go wrong.
Not doing anything and letting Hamas take hostages and kill thousands is not an option either - so calling for evacuation and then targeting legitimate targets by international law is the correct course of action even though I agree that it’s an extremely shitty situation for the civilians there.
At least the civilians killed by Israel are killed by accident and not fully intentional like Hamas is doing.
Everyone can agree that the civilians in Gaza are the poorest party in this but imho people fail to grasp the situation from different viewpoints and see it for how complex it is.
I don’t know what the alternatives are and nowhere in my comment did I weigh in one way or the other. I’m merely pointing out that “it’s on Hamas” is not doing anything for some/many. Israel is held to a higher standard than Hamas - a terrorist organization. It’s also held to a higher standard than mass war criming regimes like Russia.
Then stop commenting.
Also huge doubt on the actual numbers themselves since it is, well, Aljazeera. Might as well listen to RT.
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Al Jazeera is propaganda
lol Interesting claim from someone doing their own selective editing. Your second link is dead so I couldn’t follow it but the third link… why did you cut it right before
At the same time, Qatar has long been a key U.S. partner in the Middle East.
Thanks for the headsup on the dead link. I’ve replaced it with an archived link.
Obviously I’m not going to argue the US isn’t hypocritical in its dealings with Qatar. You can also look forward to Europe doing exactly nothing, because they rely on Qatari gas.
But if you think it’s damning that Qatar has close ties to the US, you should probably read this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas
That’s the thing with people who spread pro-Islamist coverage, including stuff from al-Jazeera.
For years Hamas was supported by key players in Israel. A strong Hamas helped to sow division in the Palestinian cause, undermining the two state solution. People who support Hamas, and/or push pro-Islamist media, are arguably helping support the continued oppression of the Palestinian people.
Netenyahu and the Jewish supremacists in his government, certainly weren’t too dissapointed by this recent Hamas attack. They have their excuse now. Thanks to Hamas and media like Al-Jazeera who support them.
You think it’s damning that Qatar has close ties to the US?
No, the opposite.
… I had to go back because I didn’t understand your response in context. I reread your original comment and I think I misunderstood you.
Not really sure where to go from here. I don’t think Al Jazeera is nearly as bad as RT. Is AJ propaganda? Yeah, in the same way WSJ is. Everybody has a bias but I’ve never seen AJ bend the truth like Fox or NY Post.
Quatar is a key partner because they have a position that allows for negotiations and are not as fundamentally extremist as many other countries in the region
Hamas leaders are living in quatar though without Quatar having any problem with that - they are basically Switzerland in the middle east.
And Al-Jazeera reported stuff directly from official sources from Palestine which happened to be exaggerated Hamas propaganda all the time - I’d say it’s a bit less one-sided than RT since they usually include other views as well but it’s still extremely biased reporting for issues regarding the conflict
