• @Kyrgizion
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    205 months ago

    Divine right of kings simply morphed into capitalism. We didn’t get rid of jack shit, and we never will.

    • Cowbee [he/him]
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      275 months ago

      Feudalism is entirely different from Capitalism, which is entirely different from Socialism. Class dynamics have changed, and will change.

      • @Viking_Hippie
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        14 months ago

        Feudalism is entirely different from Capitalism

        Not really, no. Even though feudalism doesn’t consider greed and resource hoarding inherently virtuous like capitalism does, both are at their core about the few rich and powerful exploiting and abusing the many poor and powerless through ownership of the necessities for life and a greater capacity for violence.

        • Cowbee [he/him]
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          84 months ago

          Both are class societies, yes. Both are fundamentally different relations of classes.

          • @Viking_Hippie
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            04 months ago

            There are differences, yes, but they’re built on the same foundation and as such by definition NOT fundamentally different.

            • Cowbee [he/him]
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              44 months ago

              They don’t have the same foundation. Aristocrat/serf dynamics are entirely different from Bourgeois/Proletarian relations.

              Reading Marx would help you.

              • @Viking_Hippie
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                -24 months ago

                Aristocrat/serf dynamics are entirely different from Bourgeois/Proletarian relations.

                They most certainly aren’t.

                Reading Marx would help you.

                I have. Guess what: he wasn’t right about everything.

                • Cowbee [he/him]
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                  44 months ago

                  Serfs have a certified existence, they do not sell their labor in a market. They work their land, without participating in Capitalism.

                  Proletarians do not have a certified existence. They compete against each other in a labor market.

                  The difference is stark despite both being working classes.

        • Cowbee [he/him]
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          34 months ago

          It’s a fundamentally different stage of class society with fundamentally different mechanics.

          • @[email protected]
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            14 months ago

            Fundamentally different? Lords are still in control, just now we call them “Billionaires” and act like the “Market” protects us.

            • Cowbee [he/him]
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              34 months ago

              Unlike serfs, workers must compete with each other as well as Capitalists. The Market protects nobody but the interests of Capital.

    • @essell
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      -45 months ago

      I agree These systems both emerged from inherent humanity, not conspiracy.

      • @undergroundoverground
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        155 months ago

        That would make sense for capitalism, if humanity didn’t have to have its permanent, essential characteristics beaten, traumatised and groomed out of them with land seizures, branding, whipping, workhouses, schools, prisons, debtors prisons, being forced to sell their children, slavery and the threat of homelessness and starvation for hundreds of years.

        People didn’t just accept either of those two systems and there’s nothing remotely inherent about them. They were both forced on people through violence or the threat of it.

        • @essell
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          45 months ago

          .They were both forced on people through violence or the threat of it.

          And so is revealed the violence inherent to the system.

      • @unreasonabro
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        64 months ago

        “inherent humanity” - what a magical term. you might have a magical worldview! which means you won’t even recognize this as an insult, which is sad, but a little funny.

        • @essell
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          -34 months ago

          I can recognise nonsense when I see it, and viewpoints based on assumptions rather than evidence.