The civil war was started over the economics of slavery, not the cancellation of slavery. The south wanted slaves to count towards votes, but not count towards taxes owed. The north refused to allow that, and they decided that slaves didn’t count towards either. And since without slaves the southern states had much lower populations, that dramatically diminished their voting power. That is why the civil war started.
Edit:I guess you guys missed the whole 3/5ths comprimise
oh it was aaaaall about that! well thanks for explaining that so well…
it’s weird all of the historical documents showing quite a few people were arguing about the morality of slavery… that members of congress came to blows over it and nobody mentioned the secret double secret reason of: it was aaaaall about votes because scubus saw a youtube video about it once…
This is revisionist, false, and stinks of the DotC.
The war was about the South keeping it’s slaves, and it’s ability to continue to subjugate an entire race of people. The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States states that “our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery.” That only the “black race” is capable of being slaves. And in case you think this could be twisted somehow to support a rally against taxes, it goes on to say “There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union”
This is the opening volley off secession. It talks about commerce but not about taxes. It doesn’t mention counting slaves as votes because they’d won that fight 60 years previously.
What’s the doct? And yeah, the south feared the dissolution of slavery but from my understanding that was not what it was about for the north. Hence the 3/5ths compromise.
You realize that the 3/5ths compromise was added in 1787 at the constitutional convention right? That wasn’t even remotely at issue during the civil war.
So it would seem. A bunch of the sources I was just googling seemed to confirm what I had learned in school, hence this debate. We were never taught about the dotc though, I take it they were a post war group of propagandists?
Post war group of propagandists is a pretty good way to put it.
They were responsible for many of the Confederate statues, and a lot of revisionist rhetoric has its seeds with them.
To be clear, they were effective. And the public school system still bears their mark today, actually it’s probably getting worse.
The South seceded out of fears of abolition. Full stop. Losing the election in a landslide to a Republican was only the last in a huge pile of straws. Ft Sumpter wasn’t even where the fighting started. People had been literally killing each other over the issue of continued/expanded slavery for several years already.
Any source claiming that the South had more nuanced reasons for leaving is either knowingly lying, or has been taken in by a lie.
The civil war was started over the economics of slavery, not the cancellation of slavery. The south wanted slaves to count towards votes, but not count towards taxes owed. The north refused to allow that, and they decided that slaves didn’t count towards either. And since without slaves the southern states had much lower populations, that dramatically diminished their voting power. That is why the civil war started.Edit:I guess you guys missed the whole 3/5ths comprimiseoh it was aaaaall about that! well thanks for explaining that so well…
it’s weird all of the historical documents showing quite a few people were arguing about the morality of slavery… that members of congress came to blows over it and nobody mentioned the secret double secret reason of: it was aaaaall about votes because scubus saw a youtube video about it once…
This is revisionist, false, and stinks of the DotC.
The war was about the South keeping it’s slaves, and it’s ability to continue to subjugate an entire race of people. The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States states that “our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery.” That only the “black race” is capable of being slaves. And in case you think this could be twisted somehow to support a rally against taxes, it goes on to say “There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union”
This is the opening volley off secession. It talks about commerce but not about taxes. It doesn’t mention counting slaves as votes because they’d won that fight 60 years previously.
What’s the doct? And yeah, the south feared the dissolution of slavery but from my understanding that was not what it was about for the north. Hence the 3/5ths compromise.
Daughters of the Confederacy
You realize that the 3/5ths compromise was added in 1787 at the constitutional convention right? That wasn’t even remotely at issue during the civil war.
So it would seem. A bunch of the sources I was just googling seemed to confirm what I had learned in school, hence this debate. We were never taught about the dotc though, I take it they were a post war group of propagandists?
Post war group of propagandists is a pretty good way to put it.
They were responsible for many of the Confederate statues, and a lot of revisionist rhetoric has its seeds with them.
To be clear, they were effective. And the public school system still bears their mark today, actually it’s probably getting worse.
The South seceded out of fears of abolition. Full stop. Losing the election in a landslide to a Republican was only the last in a huge pile of straws. Ft Sumpter wasn’t even where the fighting started. People had been literally killing each other over the issue of continued/expanded slavery for several years already.
Any source claiming that the South had more nuanced reasons for leaving is either knowingly lying, or has been taken in by a lie.