• @Fedizen
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    8110 months ago

    violating the constitution by establishment of a religion

    • @mojofrododojo
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      2210 months ago

      Louisiana is a real conservative religious armpit.

      • Doofus Magoo
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        10 months ago

        States can establish religions. Federal government can’t.

        Over the last 150 years, the Supreme Court has pretty consistently found that the Bill of Rights applies to state as well as federal government: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights

        See especially https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everson_v._Board_of_Education:

        Everson v. Board of Education … was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court that applied the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to state law.

        • @woelkchen
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          -1310 months ago

          Mandatory “one nation under god” pledge in school classes disagrees that religion cannot be established.

          • @Alexstarfire
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            2010 months ago

            The pledge isn’t mandatory. By law, it has to be optional. Schools have gotten in trouble over it.

            • Flying Squid
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              1010 months ago

              Don’t bother. Every time you point out they say something that isn’t true, they change the subject.

            • @woelkchen
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              10 months ago

              There are so many cases of promoting Christianity by the US government, a few cherrypicked cases of “trouble” doesn’t disprove any of this.

              • “As a matter of historical tradition, the words ‘under God’ can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words ‘In God We Trust’ from every coin in the land, than the words ‘so help me God’ from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Legal_challenges

              Also, the US print religious indoctrination on their currency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

              • @Alexstarfire
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                710 months ago

                I’m not arguing for religion to be in school. I’m just saying what’s there is already bad enough without making stuff up.

          • @undergroundoverground
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            210 months ago

            Its also said “with liberty and justice for all” during a time where people kept literal slaves, without a hint of irony.

            The wording far too inconsistent and vague to be taken as literally as you’re attempting to take them.

      • Flying Squid
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        1710 months ago

        That’s not how it works. State law can’t supersede federal law.

        • @woelkchen
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          -1310 months ago

          State law can’t supersede federal law.

          And Congress cannot pass laws on that. Constitution says so.

          • Flying Squid
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            1010 months ago

            That is an extremely narrow view of the First Amendment that goes against over two centuries of judicial precedent. Only a Clarence Thomas-level originalist would make such an argument.

            • @woelkchen
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              -1310 months ago

              That is an extremely narrow view of the First Amendment that goes against over two centuries of judicial precedent.

              Mandatory “one nation under god” pledge in school classes proves that establishing religion in the US is fine.

                • @woelkchen
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                  -1110 months ago

                  Those are literally not mandatory.

                  Except when they are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Legal_challenges

                  • “the Pledge of Allegiance does not violate the rights of those who don’t believe in God and does not have to be removed from the patriotic message”

                  • “As a matter of historical tradition, the words ‘under God’ can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words ‘In God We Trust’ from every coin in the land, than the words ‘so help me God’ from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787.”

                  • Flying Squid
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                    810 months ago

                    I’m not sure what you think those quotes prove. Those quotes say nothing about it being mandatory.