• @drev
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      17 months ago

      Excuse my assumption, I’m just very familiar with the defensive patriotism-fuelled reactionary insults from Americans when they learn I live in Norway. I’ve never met anyone from Europe who had a similarly negative reaction to that, because why would they?

      So I guess I’m a bit confused and a little curious as to what made you so sour for seemingly no reason. Care to fill me in?

      • @suction
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        17 months ago

        Nobody likes more Americans (or Russians or Chinese) coming to live in Europe. All these countries have or recently had leaders that are actively working to destroy the EU.

        • @drev
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          17 months ago

          Ah, so individuals who disagree with the actions of their home country so much that they leave their entire lives behind to find a new home with a governing body they can feel good about supporting with their taxes are the ones to blame for the idiotic behavior of their bought-and-paid-for government representatives?

          Being born somewhere doesn’t define a person. Not a single person on this planet has control over where they come from, but we do have control over where we go next. Pointing fingers at people who leave the countries they don’t want to be a part of and telling them “nobody likes you” without a shred of knowledge about who they are beyond something as inconsequential as the place they happened to be born… It’s xenophobic, prejudiced, ignorant behavior, simple as that. And you should work on that.

          I bet you’d find that you have a lot more in common with people who uproot their whole lives to separate themselves from their home country than you think, if you talked to some. Most people will at the very least admit openly “yeah, my home country just needs to get it’s shit together”. Some go as far as renouncing citizenship of their home country after becoming a nationalised citizen in their new home, myself included.

          Most immigrants also don’t like the actions of their home countries’ governments, maybe even its population in general. In fact, it’s probably the biggest reason they moved away in the first place. So if they aren’t taking those ideals with them when they immigrate, what’s there to be bitter about?

          It can be hard to communicate tone over text, and I’m running on very little sleep because of exams so I might not be doing the best job of that right now… So I just want to make sure it’s clear that it’s not my intention to attack or insult you here, and I’m sorry if my message reads like that. I just think you have a viewpoint that is flawed, and I want to outline the flaws I see in a way that might get you to look at things differently and consider things from a different perspective.

          • @suction
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            07 months ago

            There are always exceptions to the rule but I cannot judge over the internet if that applies to you. But in my experience the majority of US citizens (or Russians or Chinese or even Japanese) who move to Europe as adults ultimately do not respect its culture (even if they are absolutely certain they do) and don’t quite get it. We have a very special unique cosmopolitan thing going on here, and the more US people etc. come here, the more that will get watered down to become more hick-y. And if Trump wins it could even get very uncomfortable because not everybody will have the courtesy to ask you if you voted right before punching you.