• @jordanlundM
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    3730 days ago

    In the end, it doesn’t matter how he defines it. We are signatories to the UN and the UN definition in Article II of the “Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide” is:

    https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

    "In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    a) Killing members of the group;

    b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

    c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

    e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

    Note the language: “ANY of the following acts”.

    Israel is now 5/5 with the relocation of children from Gaza to the West Bank.

    https://www.npr.org/2024/03/13/1238227682/orphans-gaza-rafah-israel-west-bank-sos-childrens-village-international

    • @tortillaPeanuts
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      -129 days ago

      with intent to destroy

      dolus specialis (intent) is the most crucial part of genocide. Without it none of the five acts apply.

      • @jordanlundM
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        1329 days ago

        “intent to destroy in whole or in part”.

        https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-mp-no-innocents-gaza-should-burn-now

        “I don’t think there are any innocents there now, not now and not when I said those things,” Vaturi said.

        “I urge you to do everything and use Doomsday weapons fearlessly against our enemies,” Gotliv wrote on social media platform X, calling upon Israel to use “everything in its arsenal”.

        In November, Galit Distel Atbaryan, Israel’s former public diplomacy minister, called for Gaza to be “erased from the face of the Earth”, stating that the besieged enclave should be “wiped out” by a “vengeful and vicious” Israeli army.

        Last week, lawmaker Moshe Saada said that widespread calls he had heard from the Israeli public to “destroy all Gazans” had proven that the “right-wing was right about the Palestinian issue”.

        • @tortillaPeanuts
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          529 days ago

          I’m not saying they can’t prove it. They might be able to, the problem is connecting public statements to official Israeli policy.

          “I don’t think there are any innocents there now, not now and not when I said those things,” Vaturi said.

          It’s not right, but he said this after an evacuation of the area.

          “I urge you to do everything and use Doomsday weapons fearlessly against our enemies,” Gotliv wrote on social media platform X, calling upon Israel to use “everything in its arsenal”.

          This is pretty vague and specifically mentions “enemies”

          In November, Galit Distel Atbaryan, Israel’s former public diplomacy minister, called for Gaza to be “erased from the face of the Earth”, stating that the besieged enclave should be “wiped out” by a “vengeful and vicious” Israeli army.

          This guy isn’t even in office, it is ironic he was a diplomacy minister

          Last week, lawmaker Moshe Saada said that widespread calls he had heard from the Israeli public to “destroy all Gazans” had proven that the “right-wing was right about the Palestinian issue”.

          This is a pretty good example but he never says that the right-wing policy is to destroy all Gazans, just that the public wants it.

          It’s not such an easy thing to prove. There are plenty of right-wing extremists in Israel’s government right now, it’s likely they have crossed the line with their rhetoric but rhetoric isn’t policy. I have yet to see any smoking gun evidence that Israel specifically intends to commit genocide (in a legal sense, not a moral or colloquial way).