I appreciate your point of view here for sure, even if we disagree.
I do understand that Biden is the “better option” in this circumstance. And I’m not even American so I couldn’t vote for him anyway lol. But if I was American I still would struggle to bring myself to bring myself to actually vote for him as it feels like giving my consent to this broken system that is bringing suffering and death to millions. The Trump or Biden decision is not democracy, it’s the choice between two awful political ideologies which both perpetuate pain for everyone. To vote is to validate that system, to refuse to participate is the only way to not consent to the system which brings continued suffering for the whole planet.
Of course, if I had the means and ability, I would be out organizing and helping to build something different. In my opinion, that is the only way forward. Though, honestly, that ideal is sort of out of desperation since it feels to me like there’s nothing to save from liberal representative politics, we’d have to build a direct democracy or something progressive that protects the vulnerable. Something that I hope exists and we just can’t think of it the same way that we couldn’t do better than the divine right of kings in the 1600s.
But I find myself rambling 🤣 Thanks for the discussion. I also hope things get better in our lifetime!
You’re 100% correct there, unfortunately. It’s become the choice between a firing squad, or death by a thousand cuts.
I’m one of those people “privileged enough to not already be suffering”, as you put it; unfortunately I’m also terribly empathetic. Four years of Trump did a lot of damage to the social fabric here; emboldening the worst our society has to offer, appointing three conservative SC justices to overturn Roe, tax breaks for the owning class, and so forth. The country is becoming increasingly hostile to women, queer folks, and other minorities… Hell the MAGA crowd has even convinced a good chunk of the working class to hurt itself in it’s confusion.
I suppose I see any means of staving that progression off, even if I’m repulsed by the choice, as a net neutral. Perhaps I’m naive, maybe another Trump term is exactly what we need for people to wake the fuck up and take it to the streets; but I have a feeling it’s going to be a much more violent struggle fighting against bloodthirsty fascists over milquetoast liberals.
I’m rambling too now lol. Sorry for dragging the conversation out, I think I just enjoy talking about this stuff in a non-combative environment for once 😅
I appreciate your point of view here for sure, even if we disagree.
I do understand that Biden is the “better option” in this circumstance. And I’m not even American so I couldn’t vote for him anyway lol. But if I was American I still would struggle to bring myself to bring myself to actually vote for him as it feels like giving my consent to this broken system that is bringing suffering and death to millions. The Trump or Biden decision is not democracy, it’s the choice between two awful political ideologies which both perpetuate pain for everyone. To vote is to validate that system, to refuse to participate is the only way to not consent to the system which brings continued suffering for the whole planet.
Of course, if I had the means and ability, I would be out organizing and helping to build something different. In my opinion, that is the only way forward. Though, honestly, that ideal is sort of out of desperation since it feels to me like there’s nothing to save from liberal representative politics, we’d have to build a direct democracy or something progressive that protects the vulnerable. Something that I hope exists and we just can’t think of it the same way that we couldn’t do better than the divine right of kings in the 1600s.
But I find myself rambling 🤣 Thanks for the discussion. I also hope things get better in our lifetime!
You’re 100% correct there, unfortunately. It’s become the choice between a firing squad, or death by a thousand cuts.
I’m one of those people “privileged enough to not already be suffering”, as you put it; unfortunately I’m also terribly empathetic. Four years of Trump did a lot of damage to the social fabric here; emboldening the worst our society has to offer, appointing three conservative SC justices to overturn Roe, tax breaks for the owning class, and so forth. The country is becoming increasingly hostile to women, queer folks, and other minorities… Hell the MAGA crowd has even convinced a good chunk of the working class to hurt itself in it’s confusion.
I suppose I see any means of staving that progression off, even if I’m repulsed by the choice, as a net neutral. Perhaps I’m naive, maybe another Trump term is exactly what we need for people to wake the fuck up and take it to the streets; but I have a feeling it’s going to be a much more violent struggle fighting against bloodthirsty fascists over milquetoast liberals.
I’m rambling too now lol. Sorry for dragging the conversation out, I think I just enjoy talking about this stuff in a non-combative environment for once 😅