I agree we should let our populations decline, but it still needs to be a managed process. That’s how they should respond; manage the declining population in ways that minimize human suffering.
No management means millions dying from hunger or preventable disease, entire cities falling into dangerous disrepair and causing danger to remaining people or the animals that inhabit them when we leave, war, slavery, abandoned older gen nuclear sites melting down and probably 100 other calamities I can’t imagine.
Thats complete BS birth rates aim naturally towards sustainable levels (1,5 to 2) when you actually think that having less people is bad you are the problem. We don’t die out, we just have less people, and at the same time many jobs will be taken by automation.
Nature doesn’t “aim” for anything…including sustainability.
if 1.5 - 2 was the “natural” birthrate, the population wouldn’t have ever increased to this level.
I already I agree that there are too many humans. But countries with decreasing populations also have aging populations, which won’t be able to feed or care for those people without young workers. Meaning they either starve, start invading other countries with robot armies to capture slave laborers and resources, or…someone manages the decline through immigration policy, tearing down unneeded infrastructure and recycling those materials, etc.
Here are two Kurtzgesagt videos that might help to educate you on this topic, even though they are a rudimentary explanation and don’t go into too much detail, even a child should be able to understand them.
TLDR: 1. Wrong 2. Completely wrong 3. Mental gymnastics on Olympics level. For further details watch the videos and maybe educate yourself with the help of the internet, try to avoid a confirmation bias because many people like you blast out their OPINION and frame it as facts.
Here’s a peer-reviewed published study detailing how 30 invasive species have led to the extension of 738 other species. They all continue to grow at unsustainable levels until the ecosystem collapses and a new equilibrium is left in the ruins. They aren’t YouTube videos, but I’m confident you can read.
In case you can’t, here’s another actual scientific article (I hope you’ll look. This one has pictures!) detailing how declining populations are also aging populations and the problems that result.
Here’s a peer-reviewed published study detailing how 30 invasive species have led to the extension of 738 other species. They all continue to grow at unsustainable levels until the ecosystem collapses and a new equilibrium is left in the ruins. They aren’t YouTube videos, but I’m confident you can read.
Has exactly nothing to do with the topic. Even though your OPINION might suggest that.
In case you can’t, here’s another actual scientific article (I hope you’ll look. This one has pictures!) detailing how declining populations are also aging populations and the problems that result.
Speaking about economic problems because there are 4 pensioners needing to be covered by 1 worker, but not about the collapse of the world or nuclear melt downs. Ive not once said that there are no problems, I’ve said that trying to manag birth rates leads to exploitation. Furthermore this will just not work or postpone the problem.
You are wrong as seen in the numerous sources from the videos I’ve linked.
“No management means millions dying from hunger or preventable disease, entire cities falling into dangerous disrepair and causing danger to remaining people or the animals that inhabit them when we leave, war, slavery, abandoned older gen nuclear sites melting down and probably 100 other calamities I can’t imagine.” -🤡
You’re still speaking to me like you’re a petulant child.
Decommissioning a nuclear plant is a 15 - 30 year process. If you don’t safely shutdown the reactor and manage the spend fuel, you end up with a radioactive hellscape. I’m sorry, but thems the facts.
Humans are animals, and we act like animals. Just like any other species. There are very few nations that have zero population growth…the vast majority are either expanding or contracting. I like kurzgesagt, too, but by your own definition (and theirs), they are extremely simplified explanations of complex topics.
The original post was soliciting opinions about what we should do. Yours was “nothing”, mine was “make it as painless as possible.” Those are both opinions, and opinions are what was asked for. I based mine on scientific literature, and you based yours on some YouTube videos.
I hope you’re as young as you’re acting and you’ve still got time to grow up…otherwise you’re gonna end up lonely or burying yourself in echo chambers because you can’t handle discussions that don’t validate your gut reaction.
I agree we should let our populations decline, but it still needs to be a managed process. That’s how they should respond; manage the declining population in ways that minimize human suffering.
No Management. Management means some rich guys trying to control that for cheap labor.
No management means millions dying from hunger or preventable disease, entire cities falling into dangerous disrepair and causing danger to remaining people or the animals that inhabit them when we leave, war, slavery, abandoned older gen nuclear sites melting down and probably 100 other calamities I can’t imagine.
Thats complete BS birth rates aim naturally towards sustainable levels (1,5 to 2) when you actually think that having less people is bad you are the problem. We don’t die out, we just have less people, and at the same time many jobs will be taken by automation.
Nature doesn’t “aim” for anything…including sustainability.
if 1.5 - 2 was the “natural” birthrate, the population wouldn’t have ever increased to this level.
I already I agree that there are too many humans. But countries with decreasing populations also have aging populations, which won’t be able to feed or care for those people without young workers. Meaning they either starve, start invading other countries with robot armies to capture slave laborers and resources, or…someone manages the decline through immigration policy, tearing down unneeded infrastructure and recycling those materials, etc.
https://youtu.be/NMo3nZHVrZ4
https://youtu.be/QsBT5EQt348
Here are two Kurtzgesagt videos that might help to educate you on this topic, even though they are a rudimentary explanation and don’t go into too much detail, even a child should be able to understand them.
TLDR: 1. Wrong 2. Completely wrong 3. Mental gymnastics on Olympics level. For further details watch the videos and maybe educate yourself with the help of the internet, try to avoid a confirmation bias because many people like you blast out their OPINION and frame it as facts.
Btw
https://youtu.be/owBhCgqGrS0
Thinly veiled ad hominem attacks notwithstanding…
Here’s a peer-reviewed published study detailing how 30 invasive species have led to the extension of 738 other species. They all continue to grow at unsustainable levels until the ecosystem collapses and a new equilibrium is left in the ruins. They aren’t YouTube videos, but I’m confident you can read.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1602480113
In case you can’t, here’s another actual scientific article (I hope you’ll look. This one has pictures!) detailing how declining populations are also aging populations and the problems that result.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9577145/#:~:text=Declining in the proportion of,increasing number of senior citizens
Has exactly nothing to do with the topic. Even though your OPINION might suggest that.
Speaking about economic problems because there are 4 pensioners needing to be covered by 1 worker, but not about the collapse of the world or nuclear melt downs. Ive not once said that there are no problems, I’ve said that trying to manag birth rates leads to exploitation. Furthermore this will just not work or postpone the problem.
You are wrong as seen in the numerous sources from the videos I’ve linked.
“No management means millions dying from hunger or preventable disease, entire cities falling into dangerous disrepair and causing danger to remaining people or the animals that inhabit them when we leave, war, slavery, abandoned older gen nuclear sites melting down and probably 100 other calamities I can’t imagine.” -🤡
You’re still speaking to me like you’re a petulant child.
Decommissioning a nuclear plant is a 15 - 30 year process. If you don’t safely shutdown the reactor and manage the spend fuel, you end up with a radioactive hellscape. I’m sorry, but thems the facts.
Humans are animals, and we act like animals. Just like any other species. There are very few nations that have zero population growth…the vast majority are either expanding or contracting. I like kurzgesagt, too, but by your own definition (and theirs), they are extremely simplified explanations of complex topics.
The only evidence I have that economic collapse leads to war is all of human history, but here’s some research in that as well. https://www.insidescience.org/news/how-famines-and-epidemics-trigger-wars.
The original post was soliciting opinions about what we should do. Yours was “nothing”, mine was “make it as painless as possible.” Those are both opinions, and opinions are what was asked for. I based mine on scientific literature, and you based yours on some YouTube videos.
I hope you’re as young as you’re acting and you’ve still got time to grow up…otherwise you’re gonna end up lonely or burying yourself in echo chambers because you can’t handle discussions that don’t validate your gut reaction.
Upvoted for Kurtzgesagt. De-upvoted for the condescending tone of the comment.
Bro did you read what this guy said?