Were you born in USA? If so I think actual Scottish and Irish people would be annoyed about you calling yourself Scottish and Irish. Also just because some of your distant ancestors were Irish or Scottish doesn’t mean you don’t have German heritage, they could well have descended from German ancestors themselves. In fact it’s pretty pointless trying to resolve race down to countries, especially without DNA evidence, and it’s mostly a social construct anyway.
I have taken several dna tests. Most of my ancestors were Scottish and Irish. I am not German at all. By dna I am mostly Scottish and Irish. I also have an Irish residency card, and have spent time in both Ireland and Scotland.
Mutt? Is that what you called me? I am willing to bet I am more Irish by dna than you. I’m actually offended by the amount of European people that live in Ireland and have treated me like I’m not Irish in terms of heritage. Careful who you call a mutt.
Look, calling a name like that that was absolutely out of line, but in all fairness you are from California! If you’re pulling up your 23andMe results trying to convince people who were born and currently live in Ireland that you are somehow “more Irish” than them, you need a fucking reality check. That’s shameless, and reeks of blood purity. You’re essentially insulting Irish people the way this guy is insulting you, by comparing blood and deciding who is most “pure”.
You’re essentially insulting Irish people the way this guy is insulting you, by comparing blood and deciding who is most “pure”.
That’s now what I am trying to do at all. I am trying to make the point that shared cultural experience is more important than distant ancestors and that you don’t get the right to call yourself something because some of your grandparents were immigrants. It’s something Americans seem to get caught up on that repeatedly.
I never claimed to be Irish, so it wouldn’t surprise me if someone from another country had more Irish DNA than me. I’ve spent time in Spain but I would never, ever claim to Spanish because of that. Likewise if I found I had Spanish ancestors 2 or 3 generations ago, I might make a note of it but still wouldn’t make me Spanish. You’re nationality is always where you are born, or have citizenship from. Being a resident is not always the same as being a citizen either. A true citizen has a passport from the nation they are a citizen of. Even then we have a term for immigrants with citizenship - it’s called being a naturalized citizen.
To be clear there is nothing wrong with being either a naturalized citizen or having ancestors from another land. What is a problem is people claiming to be something they aren’t based on their grandparents or great grandparents. If you didn’t grow up in Ireland, and haven’t been there for most of your life, you don’t have the same experience of actual Irish people. It’s not even about your DNA, which so many people can’t seem to understand. It’s about shared cultural experience.
That’s the term people use to describe Americans claiming to be something else (especially two or more different things like Irish and Scottish), precisely because it’s descriptive of America’s demographics while also being irritating to American’s like yourself who want to claim to be something else. It’s no one’s fault where they are born, raised, or where their family comes from. So why try and lie about it, or twist it? It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Also fyi mutts are the healthiest kind of dog there is, because they have the least inbred genetic traits. Having genetics from multiple origins isn’t a bad thing biologically speaking, it can actually sometimes be beneficial.
Were you born in USA? If so I think actual Scottish and Irish people would be annoyed about you calling yourself Scottish and Irish. Also just because some of your distant ancestors were Irish or Scottish doesn’t mean you don’t have German heritage, they could well have descended from German ancestors themselves. In fact it’s pretty pointless trying to resolve race down to countries, especially without DNA evidence, and it’s mostly a social construct anyway.
I have taken several dna tests. Most of my ancestors were Scottish and Irish. I am not German at all. By dna I am mostly Scottish and Irish. I also have an Irish residency card, and have spent time in both Ireland and Scotland.
I will take that as a no to you being born in Ireland or Scotland. Frickin amerimuts.
Mutt? Is that what you called me? I am willing to bet I am more Irish by dna than you. I’m actually offended by the amount of European people that live in Ireland and have treated me like I’m not Irish in terms of heritage. Careful who you call a mutt.
Look, calling a name like that that was absolutely out of line, but in all fairness you are from California! If you’re pulling up your 23andMe results trying to convince people who were born and currently live in Ireland that you are somehow “more Irish” than them, you need a fucking reality check. That’s shameless, and reeks of blood purity. You’re essentially insulting Irish people the way this guy is insulting you, by comparing blood and deciding who is most “pure”.
Don’t be that kind of person.
That’s now what I am trying to do at all. I am trying to make the point that shared cultural experience is more important than distant ancestors and that you don’t get the right to call yourself something because some of your grandparents were immigrants. It’s something Americans seem to get caught up on that repeatedly.
I never claimed to be Irish, so it wouldn’t surprise me if someone from another country had more Irish DNA than me. I’ve spent time in Spain but I would never, ever claim to Spanish because of that. Likewise if I found I had Spanish ancestors 2 or 3 generations ago, I might make a note of it but still wouldn’t make me Spanish. You’re nationality is always where you are born, or have citizenship from. Being a resident is not always the same as being a citizen either. A true citizen has a passport from the nation they are a citizen of. Even then we have a term for immigrants with citizenship - it’s called being a naturalized citizen.
To be clear there is nothing wrong with being either a naturalized citizen or having ancestors from another land. What is a problem is people claiming to be something they aren’t based on their grandparents or great grandparents. If you didn’t grow up in Ireland, and haven’t been there for most of your life, you don’t have the same experience of actual Irish people. It’s not even about your DNA, which so many people can’t seem to understand. It’s about shared cultural experience.
You made it about dna when you called me “Amerimutt” to imply I was a mutt. I don’t think you’re in a position to call anyone a mutt.
That’s the term people use to describe Americans claiming to be something else (especially two or more different things like Irish and Scottish), precisely because it’s descriptive of America’s demographics while also being irritating to American’s like yourself who want to claim to be something else. It’s no one’s fault where they are born, raised, or where their family comes from. So why try and lie about it, or twist it? It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Also fyi mutts are the healthiest kind of dog there is, because they have the least inbred genetic traits. Having genetics from multiple origins isn’t a bad thing biologically speaking, it can actually sometimes be beneficial.