Her remarks were a bit ignorant but she rightly apologised for them.
Compare that to Natalie Elphicke who tried to pervert the court of justice by influencing the judge to let her husband off with sexual assault. Result? Welcome to the Labour party Ms Elphicke!
The only reason Elphicke’s defection was accepted was because it further damaged the government, and she’s not standing in this election so it was an easy win for Labour.
My personal opinion, which I accept is not universal, is that this has damaged Labour far more than the Tories. This is a perfect example of putting party before principles.
Not according to the opinion polls. The only people who might take issue are political nerds, the majority of the electorate just saw “Tory defects to Labour” and that’s all that matters.
This was my initial thought (after ‘What the fuck? Is there a different Natalie Elphicke?’), but when I saw she was standing down anyway, I could understand why they decided to let her in. As [email protected] points out, it’s only us nerds who think much beyond the headlines.
Nope. Remember this was before the election was called.
Accepting the tory defections under labours whip was a tactical requirement. As it was also an open statement by those MPs that they would support Labour in a vote of no confidence.
The threat of more tories doing it. Or calling a inter party vote wass very likely way Rushi Sunk made his short notice soaked announcement when he did.
Honestly there was a reason tory MPs with no history of Labour idealism. Were defecting while clearly stating they would not run post election.
Parliment was in the process of planning to kick the government out by force. And these MPs agreed.
Yep. I also think critics need to consider the timing of the defection.
Pre the election announcement. Labour would need to have been considering the possibility of a Vote of no confidence in the government.
At that point every tory MP taking the Labour whip. Was a move towards it being winnable. Rather then calling and depending on a % of tory whip MPs voting to lose their jobs.
Tories moving to Labour were openly telling the party they would support them in such a vote. While in all cases saying we will not continue as Labour MPs if the tories lose. And an election is forced.
Tactically at the time. Labour would be dumb to reject any tory defection.
Her remarks were straightforwardly true. A Jew, an Irish person, a Traveller and a Black person walk into a bar. Who gets racially profiled before they’ve even ordered a drink?
Yes Jews and Irish people and Travellers will likely experience racism at times throughout their lives. Only Black (or brown) people will experience racism just existing in a white society, just walking down the street, regardless of their clothing or their speech or their cultural practices.
It’s like, women experience sexism always. Gay men only experience homophobia in contexts where their sexuality is known. Visible minority status is a thing.
Glad someone finally said that. And disgusted that those not wanting to think about it just down vote you.
She was wrong to say it. Because she is a public figure and should know it would be taken as an offensive remark by anyone experiencing racism.
But given the racist sexist crap see faces day in day out in public and on social media.
And her rapid apology. I can understand how her personnel feeling may get a little out of wak on the subject every now and then.
I am white so never experience it myself. I have seen it when my wife has been treated bad. Not in general only when folks didnt knew I was with her watching.
The folks that critisize her. Are really unlikely to recognise how much stress someone in her passion face day in day out. And really need to consider how little stress it take for them to make the odd unwise comment.
She’s not great during election campaigns at the best of times even without the racism cloud hanging over her. By all accounts she is an articulate and intelligent person in private but she has a bit of a habit of engaging with the media while unprepared for interviews. Things like the gaffe where she misquoted the price of training a police officer tend to stick in people’s minds; feeds an unhelpful narrative about Labour being bad with money, etc.
Half the tories have some history of Islam phobic comments. Or outright racism of some other form. Sexism or lots of other crap.
Without being sent for any correction at all.
Yet someone who appolagised and attended a course is your concern.
Especially when you consider the huge amount of daily racism she faces day in and day out on social media.
Sorry no I have way more sympathy for her getting a little out of wak about the subject and how it effects different people. Then I do any toffy nosed middle aged white guy who has never faced such thing at all.
PS that is coming from a middle aged white guy. Just to clarify. But you will have to make your own mind up on the toffee.
Anyone who needs to sit a course on how not to be a racist shouldn’t be holding public office.
Her remarks were a bit ignorant but she rightly apologised for them.
Compare that to Natalie Elphicke who tried to pervert the court of justice by influencing the judge to let her husband off with sexual assault. Result? Welcome to the Labour party Ms Elphicke!
The only reason Elphicke’s defection was accepted was because it further damaged the government, and she’s not standing in this election so it was an easy win for Labour.
My personal opinion, which I accept is not universal, is that this has damaged Labour far more than the Tories. This is a perfect example of putting party before principles.
Not according to the opinion polls. The only people who might take issue are political nerds, the majority of the electorate just saw “Tory defects to Labour” and that’s all that matters.
This was my initial thought (after ‘What the fuck? Is there a different Natalie Elphicke?’), but when I saw she was standing down anyway, I could understand why they decided to let her in. As [email protected] points out, it’s only us nerds who think much beyond the headlines.
Nope. Remember this was before the election was called.
Accepting the tory defections under labours whip was a tactical requirement. As it was also an open statement by those MPs that they would support Labour in a vote of no confidence.
The threat of more tories doing it. Or calling a inter party vote wass very likely way Rushi Sunk made his short notice soaked announcement when he did.
Honestly there was a reason tory MPs with no history of Labour idealism. Were defecting while clearly stating they would not run post election.
Parliment was in the process of planning to kick the government out by force. And these MPs agreed.
Yep. I also think critics need to consider the timing of the defection.
Pre the election announcement. Labour would need to have been considering the possibility of a Vote of no confidence in the government.
At that point every tory MP taking the Labour whip. Was a move towards it being winnable. Rather then calling and depending on a % of tory whip MPs voting to lose their jobs.
Tories moving to Labour were openly telling the party they would support them in such a vote. While in all cases saying we will not continue as Labour MPs if the tories lose. And an election is forced.
Tactically at the time. Labour would be dumb to reject any tory defection.
Her remarks were straightforwardly true. A Jew, an Irish person, a Traveller and a Black person walk into a bar. Who gets racially profiled before they’ve even ordered a drink?
Yes Jews and Irish people and Travellers will likely experience racism at times throughout their lives. Only Black (or brown) people will experience racism just existing in a white society, just walking down the street, regardless of their clothing or their speech or their cultural practices.
It’s like, women experience sexism always. Gay men only experience homophobia in contexts where their sexuality is known. Visible minority status is a thing.
Glad someone finally said that. And disgusted that those not wanting to think about it just down vote you.
She was wrong to say it. Because she is a public figure and should know it would be taken as an offensive remark by anyone experiencing racism.
But given the racist sexist crap see faces day in day out in public and on social media.
And her rapid apology. I can understand how her personnel feeling may get a little out of wak on the subject every now and then.
I am white so never experience it myself. I have seen it when my wife has been treated bad. Not in general only when folks didnt knew I was with her watching.
The folks that critisize her. Are really unlikely to recognise how much stress someone in her passion face day in day out. And really need to consider how little stress it take for them to make the odd unwise comment.
She’s not great during election campaigns at the best of times even without the racism cloud hanging over her. By all accounts she is an articulate and intelligent person in private but she has a bit of a habit of engaging with the media while unprepared for interviews. Things like the gaffe where she misquoted the price of training a police officer tend to stick in people’s minds; feeds an unhelpful narrative about Labour being bad with money, etc.
She obviously isn’t a racist. She was targeted in the anti-Corbyn purge carried out by
StalinStarmer.She obviously isn’t. But she got tarnished with the “anti semite” brush with Corbyn because he’s anti Israel.
100%
No, of course not. She just thinks that Jewish people don’t experience racism. Which is, at best, completely ignorant.
She said there’s a hierarchy of racism which, if you are a person of colour, you would know there obviously is.
Half the tories have some history of Islam phobic comments. Or outright racism of some other form. Sexism or lots of other crap.
Without being sent for any correction at all.
Yet someone who appolagised and attended a course is your concern.
Especially when you consider the huge amount of daily racism she faces day in and day out on social media.
Sorry no I have way more sympathy for her getting a little out of wak about the subject and how it effects different people. Then I do any toffy nosed middle aged white guy who has never faced such thing at all.
PS that is coming from a middle aged white guy. Just to clarify. But you will have to make your own mind up on the toffee.