lol, fuck off. Strange New worlds has a diverse cast and is a wonderful show. Lower decks, same thing. It’s totally doable. If you’re referring to something a la Discovery, the issue is poor writing for a typical Star Trek show, not that it has a diverse cast. Stop being a snowflake and watch some reruns if you can’t handle where society is going. “Can you believe I was made to look at a black person, an Asian, a GAY, AND a woman in a position of authority? It’s enough to give me the vapors!!”
I think more to the other person point is it being needlessly prioritised, seemingly at the expense of quality writing/characters.
Disco is a pretty choice example. The main character is frankly unbearable. Super unlikeable, overly emotional (despite being Vulcan) and frequently fucks up because she won’t listen or acts out of emotion. She is pointlessly insubordinate in an attempt to write her as strong but it inadvertently makes her incompetent and entitled. Everyone seems to cry, a lot, in the later season. The gay couple felt cheap and even unhealthy at some point, I think in the ep where one of them nearly dies, but unfortunately I can’t remember why. Didn’t really feel like ST just a show wearing its uniform.
Hey at least it was super diverse though. Although as you point out, it is largely the writing that boned disco. Just feels like these shows prioritise being as diverse as possible and then jump to racism the second people notice or criticise the shows for it or unrelated elements.
Yeah that’s the one. Not quite as bad then but still didn’t learn much from them then. My bad it’s been years since I gave up on it. (Edit: and dropped a half- oops)
But core problem with Disco isn’t the diverse cast: it’s that they went for something that doesn’t fit with the genre star trek usually fills and have writers who aren’t good at writing sci fi or shooty shooty bang bang. This diversity thing is a total red herring for conservatives and otherwise sensitive folks who can’t accept that kind of change.
The real issue with Discovery is that they fridged Michelle Yeoh so they could make Burnham the main character, a character they went to great lengths to show us is a violently xenophobic mutineer, and yet who is still somehow more open minded than nearly everyone else on Discovery.
Star Trek is supposed to be woke and Discovery wasn’t. Having a black main character doesn’t make a show woke, actually promoting social progress makes a show woke.
Did you know they made a Star Trek show all the way back in the early 1960’s? Captain Kirk beamed down to the planet Vulcan years before Neil Armstrong landed on the Moon. Star Trek: The First One Doesn’t Get Subtitles had among its main cast three women, one of them black, an Asian man, and a Jew. That’s not what made the show woke. What made the show woke was “What are you people even fighting over?” “They’re white on the left side.”
In the space year 1962 Gene Roddenberry hired someone to stand in front of a TV camera to be broadcast nationwide saying “Do you people see how fucking stupid racism is now?”
Fast forward 60 years and the first or second thing I hear about a TV show is a list of demographics among the cast. “It’s a Star Trek® sequel and the captain’s a non-binary Australian aborigine and the science officer is a gay Korean and the…” “You’ll call me a xenophobic bastard if I don’t pay to see it just like everything made in Hollywood since 2016. Got it. What do they do?” “What do you mean what do they do? It’s Star Trek®.” “So they engage in a series of morality plays, work together as a team, come to diplomatic solutions to solve problems…?” “No, they bicker like juvenile siblings among each other, talk back to the captain, they scream, they cry, and kill any aliens they come across. But we payed Paramount a lot of money so we’re legally allowed to say the word “phaser.”” “I’m not paying to see this.” “How could you, you xenophobic bastard?!”
Yes if they don’t DEI it up like most shows these days.
Incidental characters, new characters here and there, fine. A storyline where it makes sense, maybe.
Half the crew? Um…no. Make one of the original characters go gay/trans for b.s. reasons, um…no
Just focus on the story. Give us a GOOD story.
lol, fuck off. Strange New worlds has a diverse cast and is a wonderful show. Lower decks, same thing. It’s totally doable. If you’re referring to something a la Discovery, the issue is poor writing for a typical Star Trek show, not that it has a diverse cast. Stop being a snowflake and watch some reruns if you can’t handle where society is going. “Can you believe I was made to look at a black person, an Asian, a GAY, AND a woman in a position of authority? It’s enough to give me the vapors!!”
I think more to the other person point is it being needlessly prioritised, seemingly at the expense of quality writing/characters.
Disco is a pretty choice example. The main character is frankly unbearable. Super unlikeable, overly emotional (despite being Vulcan) and frequently fucks up because she won’t listen or acts out of emotion. She is pointlessly insubordinate in an attempt to write her as strong but it inadvertently makes her incompetent and entitled. Everyone seems to cry, a lot, in the later season. The gay couple felt cheap and even unhealthy at some point, I think in the ep where one of them nearly dies, but unfortunately I can’t remember why. Didn’t really feel like ST just a show wearing its uniform.
Hey at least it was super diverse though. Although as you point out, it is largely the writing that boned disco. Just feels like these shows prioritise being as diverse as possible and then jump to racism the second people notice or criticise the shows for it or unrelated elements.
What? You’re talking about Michael Burnham, no? She’s 100% human. She grew up with Vulcans, but that’s very different.
Yeah that’s the one. Not quite as bad then but still didn’t learn much from them then. My bad it’s been years since I gave up on it. (Edit: and dropped a half- oops)
Being a terribly written character has norhing to do with DEI.
But core problem with Disco isn’t the diverse cast: it’s that they went for something that doesn’t fit with the genre star trek usually fills and have writers who aren’t good at writing sci fi or shooty shooty bang bang. This diversity thing is a total red herring for conservatives and otherwise sensitive folks who can’t accept that kind of change.
I have no idea what that is, from media seems to be republican speak for “not excluding anyone that isn’t white”.
The real issue with Discovery is that they fridged Michelle Yeoh so they could make Burnham the main character, a character they went to great lengths to show us is a violently xenophobic mutineer, and yet who is still somehow more open minded than nearly everyone else on Discovery.
Star Trek is supposed to be woke and Discovery wasn’t. Having a black main character doesn’t make a show woke, actually promoting social progress makes a show woke.
Did you know they made a Star Trek show all the way back in the early 1960’s? Captain Kirk beamed down to the planet Vulcan years before Neil Armstrong landed on the Moon. Star Trek: The First One Doesn’t Get Subtitles had among its main cast three women, one of them black, an Asian man, and a Jew. That’s not what made the show woke. What made the show woke was “What are you people even fighting over?” “They’re white on the left side.”
In the space year 1962 Gene Roddenberry hired someone to stand in front of a TV camera to be broadcast nationwide saying “Do you people see how fucking stupid racism is now?”
Fast forward 60 years and the first or second thing I hear about a TV show is a list of demographics among the cast. “It’s a Star Trek® sequel and the captain’s a non-binary Australian aborigine and the science officer is a gay Korean and the…” “You’ll call me a xenophobic bastard if I don’t pay to see it just like everything made in Hollywood since 2016. Got it. What do they do?” “What do you mean what do they do? It’s Star Trek®.” “So they engage in a series of morality plays, work together as a team, come to diplomatic solutions to solve problems…?” “No, they bicker like juvenile siblings among each other, talk back to the captain, they scream, they cry, and kill any aliens they come across. But we payed Paramount a lot of money so we’re legally allowed to say the word “phaser.”” “I’m not paying to see this.” “How could you, you xenophobic bastard?!”