It’s a moniker about corporate price increases that has bolstered some Democratic senators, and now the president is being encouraged to lean in on the issue for his economic messaging.
Nobody cares. Nobody wants a progressive candidate, everyone wants a right-lite candidate, which Biden is. We’ve allowed corporations to completely take over our nation, and there is no non-violent way to bring it back.
That’s not what the last 25 years of elections tell us.
When Democrats run on a progressive, or at least apparently progressive platform, they win, even if that’s not how they ultimately govern (Obama 08, 12; Biden 20). Biden’s 2020 platform was a lift and shift of every single one of Bernie’s policy positions: His platform was Biden in name only. Obama’s was also highly progressive. I’d put Gore in here too for a half point, considering that was basically a stolen election (SC decided Floridians voters didn’t matter), and he ran almost competently on climate change; he won the popular vote and the EC, but the SC decided that wasn’t relevant.
When they run center right candidates (Kerry 04, Hillary 16) and platforms, they lose.
Voters who show up and get Democrats elected into office have shown one thing:
Progressive candidates and platforms win you elections.
So this:
Nobody wants a progressive candidate
Is just a demonstrably false statement, easily rebutted by even a cursory glance at history.
If that were true, they’d be doing it. It’s as simple as that. A whole team of people who know far more than you are I, have decided you are wrong. I’ll just leave it at that. I wholly disagree that Biden or Obamas platforms were progressive at all.
Who would be doing what? Biden took his platform far to the left in 2020 and it got him enough of Bernies collation to get him elected. Obama ran on healthcare and holding banks accountable.
And also…
A whole team of people who know far more than you are I,
No they fucking don’t. These are the same consultants that advised Hillary to prop up Trump in the primaries.
The fact is that if you are a Democrat running for President, at least giving lip service to progressive polices gets you elected. There is no requirement you govern that way once elected, but if you don’t at least entertain the Progressive vote as a Democrat, you don’t win the presidency.
Bidens pretty likely to lose the election because people dont want him. He only stands a chance by virtue of how much more those same people dont want Trump.
People want a progressive government but are stuck in a self fulfilling prediction that progressive candidates cant win.
People don’t want a progressive government. They (at best) want a government that returns to the time just before Citizens united. They want to stop back-sliding. But they aren’t thinking about “progress” in any way that I understand progress.
Uh, Obama, Biden, every democratic president literally in the past 25 years.
Do you think Obama was a progressive? If so, I got some news for you. The overton window has shifted, and every Democrat president in the last 25 years has been Right-lite.
Actual progressive candidates have no chance in these races. They’re seen as “extremists” now.
I dare ANY candidate now to campaign on a $25/hr minimum wage. They’ll get absolutely liquified by the media.
Do remember the Affordable Healthcare Act? Obama pushed for national healthcare and was ultimately quashed. That was a progressive push. I would not consider Obama progressive, but he sure as hell was the most progressive president since Carter. Biden is a regressive chump that suits the DNC’s interests
Biden has governerned as a regressive chump, but the DNC platform of 2020 was the most progressive platform for any major political party, pretty much since Roosevelt. Biden’s 2020 campaign was one of the most progressive in US history, from a policy perspective.
I mean it got him elected. I’m cynical enough that I want him to do it again. But he’s not going to get elected continuing to spit in the face of progressives.
They may have governed to the right, but that’s not what got them elected. Both of those candidates campaigned as progressives, or adopted highly progressive platforms.
You know. Campaigning. The part where you get elected?
And the two Democrats who campaigned to the center right, Hillary and Kerry, both lost their elections.
To be clear: We’re talking about campaigning right now, not governance.
That’s exactly what got them elected. They took moderate stances on things. They didn’t campaign on progressive ideas at ALL. The last progressive candidate we saw was Bernie, and he was deemed too extreme.
Not rewriting history, just happen to remember it with a bit more clarity than you it seems. I don’t have on rose-tinted glasses, as I criticize every politician. I don’t have a horse in this race, so I’m not blinded by confirmation bias.
Nobody cares. Nobody wants a progressive candidate, everyone wants a right-lite candidate, which Biden is. We’ve allowed corporations to completely take over our nation, and there is no non-violent way to bring it back.
That’s not what the last 25 years of elections tell us.
When Democrats run on a progressive, or at least apparently progressive platform, they win, even if that’s not how they ultimately govern (Obama 08, 12; Biden 20). Biden’s 2020 platform was a lift and shift of every single one of Bernie’s policy positions: His platform was Biden in name only. Obama’s was also highly progressive. I’d put Gore in here too for a half point, considering that was basically a stolen election (SC decided Floridians voters didn’t matter), and he ran almost competently on climate change; he won the popular vote and the EC, but the SC decided that wasn’t relevant.
When they run center right candidates (Kerry 04, Hillary 16) and platforms, they lose.
Voters who show up and get Democrats elected into office have shown one thing:
Progressive candidates and platforms win you elections.
So this:
Is just a demonstrably false statement, easily rebutted by even a cursory glance at history.
If that were true, they’d be doing it. It’s as simple as that. A whole team of people who know far more than you are I, have decided you are wrong. I’ll just leave it at that. I wholly disagree that Biden or Obamas platforms were progressive at all.
Who would be doing what? Biden took his platform far to the left in 2020 and it got him enough of Bernies collation to get him elected. Obama ran on healthcare and holding banks accountable.
And also…
No they fucking don’t. These are the same consultants that advised Hillary to prop up Trump in the primaries.
The fact is that if you are a Democrat running for President, at least giving lip service to progressive polices gets you elected. There is no requirement you govern that way once elected, but if you don’t at least entertain the Progressive vote as a Democrat, you don’t win the presidency.
Bidens pretty likely to lose the election because people dont want him. He only stands a chance by virtue of how much more those same people dont want Trump.
People want a progressive government but are stuck in a self fulfilling prediction that progressive candidates cant win.
People don’t want a progressive government. They (at best) want a government that returns to the time just before Citizens united. They want to stop back-sliding. But they aren’t thinking about “progress” in any way that I understand progress.
Yeah this is just a non-sense statement with no grounding in reality.
What Presidential election have Democrats won without a progressive candidate or platform in the past 25 years?
Uh, Obama, Biden, every democratic president literally in the past 25 years.
Do you think Obama was a progressive? If so, I got some news for you. The overton window has shifted, and every Democrat president in the last 25 years has been Right-lite.
Actual progressive candidates have no chance in these races. They’re seen as “extremists” now.
I dare ANY candidate now to campaign on a $25/hr minimum wage. They’ll get absolutely liquified by the media.
Do remember the Affordable Healthcare Act? Obama pushed for national healthcare and was ultimately quashed. That was a progressive push. I would not consider Obama progressive, but he sure as hell was the most progressive president since Carter. Biden is a regressive chump that suits the DNC’s interests
Biden has governerned as a regressive chump, but the DNC platform of 2020 was the most progressive platform for any major political party, pretty much since Roosevelt. Biden’s 2020 campaign was one of the most progressive in US history, from a policy perspective.
I don’t disagree with any of that. He got to play spoiler for the Bernie camp again, took his platform and kneecapped it. As is tradition
I mean it got him elected. I’m cynical enough that I want him to do it again. But he’s not going to get elected continuing to spit in the face of progressives.
Then we don’t disagree. Having 1-2 progressive stances does not mean you’re a progressive candidate.
They may have governed to the right, but that’s not what got them elected. Both of those candidates campaigned as progressives, or adopted highly progressive platforms.
You know. Campaigning. The part where you get elected?
And the two Democrats who campaigned to the center right, Hillary and Kerry, both lost their elections.
To be clear: We’re talking about campaigning right now, not governance.
That’s exactly what got them elected. They took moderate stances on things. They didn’t campaign on progressive ideas at ALL. The last progressive candidate we saw was Bernie, and he was deemed too extreme.
No, they didn’t. Not at all. You are just re-writing history to fit your narrative.
Obama ran on holding wall street accountable (he didn’t) and on fixing healthcare/
Biden xeroxed Bernies entire platform. Like verbatim.
Not rewriting history, just happen to remember it with a bit more clarity than you it seems. I don’t have on rose-tinted glasses, as I criticize every politician. I don’t have a horse in this race, so I’m not blinded by confirmation bias.