There was a jewish state there when the romans invaded over 2000 years ago. Look it up, their state was called judea and the romans named it (something similar to palestine) after conquest finished.
Yes but you can’t claim ownership of a territory that is currently inhabited by people who didn’t expell you themselves or their immediate ancestors, based on a 2000 year old historical claim.
No it doesn’t, the Jewish people 2000 years ago weren’t a state, weren’t the only people in the region, and there’s no continuity. The claim is ridiculous
Not as a state, no, my point here isn’t arguing for the recognition of Palestine as a state, it’s arguing against the forceful and violent removal of a local population. Whichever nation the locals belong to is a matter of self-determination, not up to me to decide.
There were multiple Jewish kingdoms, not one unified state that the modern day nation state can claim it’s descended from. The kingdom of judea is pretty small compared to the modern borders.
Never mind that trying to claim that isreal is the continuation of a 2000 year old kingdom with nothing in between, is a pretty brain dead argument.
Which is why I didn’t make that argument. Learn to read. The same can be said about palestine too btw, both have a history mixed of existance and non-existance.
Native jews, christians and muslims in historic Palestine only need to point to the fact their parents or grandparents lived on a specific bit of land, while Zionists need to point to a state thats been dead for 2000 years.
Bringing up Judea in respomse to OP who never mentioned any other historical state kinda does implicitly make that argument.
Also your reponse to volodya about how you’re trying to counter the “israel came into existence 70 years ago bs” despite the fact modern day isreal did only come into existence 70 years ago and is completely detached from biblical israel or any historical Jewish state reeks of Zionism.
Where the fuck did I say that? You permanently offended morons really need to learn how to fucking read and stop interpreting whatever you want into sentences that don’t include it.
There was a jewish state there when the romans invaded over 2000 years ago. Look it up, their state was called judea and the romans named it (something similar to palestine) after conquest finished.
Yes but you can’t claim ownership of a territory that is currently inhabited by people who didn’t expell you themselves or their immediate ancestors, based on a 2000 year old historical claim.
But it does counteract the ‘isreal came into existance 70 years ago’ BS
No it doesn’t, the Jewish people 2000 years ago weren’t a state, weren’t the only people in the region, and there’s no continuity. The claim is ridiculous
So what? Palestine wasn’t in continous existance either.
Not as a state, no, my point here isn’t arguing for the recognition of Palestine as a state, it’s arguing against the forceful and violent removal of a local population. Whichever nation the locals belong to is a matter of self-determination, not up to me to decide.
Nobody here was arguing for the forceful removal of the local population.
Defending the modern state of Israel amounts to that much, since it’s what it stands for
There were multiple Jewish kingdoms, not one unified state that the modern day nation state can claim it’s descended from. The kingdom of judea is pretty small compared to the modern borders.
Never mind that trying to claim that isreal is the continuation of a 2000 year old kingdom with nothing in between, is a pretty brain dead argument.
Which is why I didn’t make that argument. Learn to read. The same can be said about palestine too btw, both have a history mixed of existance and non-existance.
Native jews, christians and muslims in historic Palestine only need to point to the fact their parents or grandparents lived on a specific bit of land, while Zionists need to point to a state thats been dead for 2000 years.
Bringing up Judea in respomse to OP who never mentioned any other historical state kinda does implicitly make that argument.
Also your reponse to volodya about how you’re trying to counter the “israel came into existence 70 years ago bs” despite the fact modern day isreal did only come into existence 70 years ago and is completely detached from biblical israel or any historical Jewish state reeks of Zionism.
Yeah that totally justifies brutal ethnic cleansing…
Where the fuck did I say that? You permanently offended morons really need to learn how to fucking read and stop interpreting whatever you want into sentences that don’t include it.
So then what relevance does it have to 2024?